OMG! Finally someone who understands my pain and feels the exact way I do! I'm just like you, been around since Jan. 2001, and I'm ashamed of what the games came out to be. I'm extremely proud of Paul, Andrew, Ian, Mark and everyone else at Jagex who make this game better... but the people have gone down hill. When I first started playing there were like, what, MAYBE 80 total people. Everyone stole iron daggers to sell at the general store to get money, everyone constantly held clan wars at as you said, "the cabbage field of death", amen died many of times there, and outside the Varrok bank, died there many of times too-- There were also the two main clans, Sabre's and Messiah, I was neither so I was constantly owned by both sides, countlessly mining coal and being killed because of PK/Non-Pk and I got stuck, PK!! Now everyone today is about.. OMG Ch00b I'm l33tzor cause I have better skills than you!~! I'm ashmade when I hear ppl talk like that, I've played since January 2001 and I have 1143 skill total w/ 86 combat, whoopdi do. I get out and do other things with my life and try to have some fun. People need to stop ranting for updates, actually, I think people would enjoy rs MUCH more the way it originally started. Varrok, Lumbridge-- ANTICIPATING the vampire slayer quest at draynor, no al khaird, no draynor bank, no fishing, herblore, theving, rc and such-- No faldor either, no banks period for a while, pk/non-pk, no rune, good/evil magic, prayers that were useless, YEA STOP COMPLAINING PEOPLE-- ~Kev