Sorry, liner has you beat. I play WoW, taken down Rag. I've played almost since release, and yes, Liner's points (for the most part) are the truth. I've seen Thunderfury in the hands of a fury Warrior pre 1.9 and he did 135k damage on Nef's 1st phase and outdamaged a combat specced rogue with the same weapon by a considerable amount. His video is on warcraftmovies.com and I know both players personally (I play on their server and have talked to them). Jordo, you are the naive one. And also, I can see why you would be bored with the game - you've pretty much just played mages. How many mage alts do you need? Actually try and play another class to 60 and maybe you'll be interested in the game again. I'm not in a hardcore raiding guild. I don't have much time /played. I'm casual and I can still get epics, and to top it off I'm a rogue! It's not like they're on demand, infact most guilds are full on rogues. Tigra's points are completely valid and I support them. You can be casual and still get your epic sets if you're a smart player. And you saying that guilds are not friends! Hah! I'm good friends with ALOT of people in our guild, in fact there are almost never any disputes. We all act like friends. Jordo, maybe you're associating with the wrong kinds of people. The 20 man instances are enough if you want epic gear (ZG has some nice ones). Plus, what's a "casual player" who can't raid going to do with epics? Stand around like a model in IF or Ogrimmar? Anyway, WoW is quite amazing. RS has it's ups, as it requires less time commitment than WoW. But WoW is better in my opinion.