1) @y_guy

 

 

 

I hammer in screws.

 

 

 

No, actually I don't, jk. But I'm not talking about the nail or the screw, I'm talking about the hammer. Facebook and Tif are different, I agree, but the people who use them are the same in nature. The personality and genetic code of Tif users and Facebook users can't possibly be big enough to make statuses popular in one and abandoned in the other.

 

 

 

Plus, in either case, powertools are better :lol:

 

 

 

 

I guess that's where we part our ways then. I do believe that users see facebook and TIF differently enough to not make them want to use status messages here.

1) @y_guy

 

 

 

I hammer in screws.

 

 

 

No, actually I don't, jk. But I'm not talking about the nail or the screw, I'm talking about the hammer. Facebook and Tif are different, I agree, but the people who use them are the same in nature. The personality and genetic code of Tif users and Facebook users can't possibly be big enough to make statuses popular in one and abandoned in the other.

 

 

 

Plus, in either case, powertools are better :lol:

 

 

 

 

I guess that's where we part our ways then. I do believe that users see facebook and TIF differently enough to not make them want to use status messages here.

 

 

 

Well, ok. I respect your opinion, but I have to say that I believe that there is no real difference.

Facebook: Used by people you know well and already know what they're interested in because of it. A lot of people who use Facebook are "casual" internet users.

 

Tip.It: Used by people who play (or played) a game and want to discuss that game. Generally the people who play RS/use these forums are more than "casual" internet users.

 

 

 

Completely different people use them.

 

 

 

If, for example, I'm reading the thread on a new update I don't want to know that you've just got 85 mining or whatever, that wouldn't effect the way I responded or read that thread and it could potentially lead to off-topic posting (People congratulating you in that topic etc.). If you got 85 mining you could post about it in several places, RS picture thread in GD, Rate This forum, or your blog. All those places would be acceptable and people would look at it in all of those places and most likely reply. If you just got back from a Tip.It Event post about it in the Aftermath thread that gets posted, or again post about it in your blog or perhaps post a few pictures/videos in the Screenshot thread.

Facebook: Used by people you know well and already know what they're interested in because of it. A lot of people who use Facebook are "casual" internet users.

 

Tip.It: Used by people who play (or played) a game and want to discuss that game. Generally the people who play RS/use these forums are more than "casual" internet users.

 

 

 

"Used by people you know well"-Sure you don't know everybody in TIF well, but anyone who's spent a decent amount of time will know the frequent posters pretty well.

 

 

 

"Already know what they're interested in"-Common interest = Runescape

 

 

 

"'casual' internet users"-Gaming is just about the definition of casually using the internet. Discussing it is too. By all means, you shouldn't be treating RS and TIF seriously enough to consider it a job, unless you're a mod/admin, in which case you do have that responsibility. But a majority of people aren't mods or admins.

 

 

 

Plus, we're all human. We all jump at the opportunity to express ourselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If, for example, I'm reading the thread on a new update I don't want to know that you've just got 85 mining or whatever, that wouldn't effect the way I responded or read that thread and it could potentially lead to off-topic posting (People congratulating you in that topic etc.). If you got 85 mining you could post about it in several places, RS picture thread in GD, Rate This forum, or your blog. All those places would be acceptable and people would look at it in all of those places and most likely reply. If you just got back from a Tip.It Event post about it in the Aftermath thread that gets posted, or again post about it in your blog or perhaps post a few pictures/videos in the Screenshot thread.

 

 

 

But once again, all those areas are scattered across the boards.

I'd define a "casual" internet user as someone who mainly uses it for email/work and goes to very few sites other than that except for popular ones (Facebook/MySpace/YouTube etc.) and aren't in any sort of online community.

 

 

 

Tip.It is an online Community, the forum aspect is anyway, I could see "casual" users perhaps using the site for help but not much more than that.

 

 

 

I've been here since the day the TIF opened, I "know" a lot of users on here just based on what they've posted in these boards over that time, but I'm not friends with everyone of them, I might respect what they say here and "like" them as a user but I don't know anything about them. The users of this forum I speak to in game for example are the sort of people that perhaps I'd like to know what they're doing, in which case I follow their blogs, or if they don't have one I'm sure if they have something so important that they felt the need to tell people they'd tell me personally in game. Although I do like reading what other users are doing/have done I go to the screenshot thread or the Rate This/Blogscape board to read about what the "normal" user is doing (People who I aren't friends with).

 

 

 

There's a difference between Friends of whom you're likely to have an interest in and people you "know" from an internet forum.

1) Our definition of casual differs. I define casual as anyone who is not using the internet for serious work, such as research, schoolwork, taxes, etc. The internet was not invented for gaming, it was invented for the military, and only grew from there.

 

 

 

2) The way I see it:

 

 

 

Network of friends = community

 

 

 

Messaging each other = Forum discussion

 

 

 

They're really the same. Sure you may not be "friendly" (using the term to mean "to be friends with someone", not "to be kind to someone"), but you still interact with them. That's the common ground, and that's the big impacter.

 

 

 

I agree there is a level of difference, but the difference isn't big enough to make statuses un-used in Tif. I'll say it again, it's pretty much in human nature to use it.

 

2) The way I see it:

 

 

 

Network of friends = community

 

 

 

Messaging each other = Forum discussion

 

 

 

They're really the same. Sure you may not be "friendly" (using the term to mean "to be friends with someone", not "to be kind to someone"), but you still interact with them. That's the common ground, and that's the big impacter.

 

 

 

I agree there is a level of difference, but the difference isn't big enough to make statuses un-used in Tif. I'll say it again, it's pretty much in human nature to use it.

 

 

 

But as DarkDude98 said, on Facebook you tend to be friends with the people you talk to, thus caring about what they are up to. On tip.it most people simply take into account the content of posts, and ignore the entire left side, unless something about that person really interests them. I think there's a huge difference between a Social Networking Site and a Discussion Forum.

 

 

 

And what the devil does "I'll say it again, it's pretty much in human nature to use it." mean - I fail to see how it is 'human nature' for us to use it. :?

 

2) The way I see it:

 

 

 

Network of friends = community

 

 

 

Messaging each other = Forum discussion

 

 

 

They're really the same. Sure you may not be "friendly" (using the term to mean "to be friends with someone", not "to be kind to someone"), but you still interact with them. That's the common ground, and that's the big impacter.

 

 

 

I agree there is a level of difference, but the difference isn't big enough to make statuses un-used in Tif. I'll say it again, it's pretty much in human nature to use it.

 

 

 

But as DarkDude98 said, on Facebook you tend to be friends with the people you talk to, thus caring about what they are up to. On tip.it most people simply take into account the content of posts, and ignore the entire left side, unless something about that person really interests them. I think there's a huge difference between a Social Networking Site and a Discussion Forum.

 

 

 

And what the devil does "I'll say it again, it's pretty much in human nature to use it." mean - I fail to see how it is 'human nature' for us to use it. :?

 

 

 

There's a difference, but again I have to say that the difference isn't big enough.

 

 

 

What I mean by human nature is two-fold. If sometime exists for us to share more about ourselves, we will probably go and do that, if for no better reason than "it's there". The second is that as humans, we are social beings. We may not be friends with one another, but we still are interested in others. I mean, just look at celebrities. I'm going to say that most people aren't friends with, say, Obama. But most people still follow him and want to know him. The fact that he's famous is irrelevant, since it proves that people are interested in other people.

I honestly can't believe how much this has blown up. I think it's pretty ridiculous actually. I'm not against it to the point where I'd waste so much time arguing about it, but I can't see how you guys desperately need this update to the point where you're making support banners and making far-fetched comparisons to try to prove a point.

 

 

 

Anyway, again, I don't see why this update is so necessary or desperately sought-after. I can't imagine who would even read little status messages in the first place, but more importantly, you already have the ability to include a little status message in your signature. So why do you desperately need/want to have a status message under your avatar? It's really not that big of a difference. So yes I think it's a pointless update, but I'm not passionately against it because it's incredibly easy to implement and I can't imagine that it would have any huge negative consequences. Sure it may encourage people to put down inappropriate things, but they already have the ability to do that with the other custom profile fields and it's not that common of an offense.

 

 

 

But again, this isn't necessary, I can't imagine that many/any people would even read the messages, and I can already find out everything I want to know by checking to see if you're online or not by looking at the banner under your avatar or by checking the Who is Online page to see which forum you are viewing. I don't need to know anything more than that.

I honestly can't believe how much this has blown up. I think it's pretty ridiculous actually. I'm not against it to the point where I'd waste so much time arguing about it, but I can't see how you guys desperately need this update to the point where you're making support banners and making far-fetched comparisons to try to prove a point.

 

 

 

Anyway, again, I don't see why this update is so necessary or desperately sought-after. I can't imagine who would even read little status messages in the first place, but more importantly, you already have the ability to include a little status message in your signature. So why do you desperately need/want to have a status message under your avatar? It's really not that big of a difference. So yes I think it's a pointless update, but I'm not passionately against it because it's incredibly easy to implement and I can't imagine that it would have any huge negative consequences. Sure it may encourage people to put down inappropriate things, but they already have the ability to do that with the other custom profile fields and it's not that common of an offense.

 

 

 

But again, this isn't necessary, I can't imagine that many/any people would even read the messages, and I can already find out everything I want to know by checking to see if you're online or not by looking at the banner under your avatar or by checking the Who is Online page to see which forum you are viewing. I don't need to know anything more than that.

 

 

 

First off, welcome back.

 

 

 

Second, I agree with what you say, if that surprises you. This is NOT needed, and it did not need to get this big or controversial. However, I don't think my arguments, or anyone here's were far-flung at all.

 

 

 

The point I would like to make is that, while this would take time, it would be a very nice and useful feature to have. While Tif is fine as it is, and I'd like to say that I'm perfectly happy with it, there's always room for improvement, no matter how good something is managed. No matter how good you guys make this forum, you must agree this are always little things that can improve the experience? That is what I wanted to get to. I understand that this isn't necessary and may in fact be not worth the effort. However, I reasoned that it would be a popular feature, if added, and would benefit Tif. That's all. I hope I did not come under the impression that this update was NEEDED in any way. I do not feel that way at all. Once again, I'll state that it was only a small thought that I reasoned would be helpful.

 

 

 

I did not intend for this much time to be spent on this. I thought this to be more of a "Hey, this idea is cool and would help, here's why, 1, 2, 3, and 4" with a reply of "Ok we'll think about it". But if someone points out, or decides to question, one of my arguments, I think I had, and have, the right to at least reply in order to defend my view. Unfortunately, I seem to have some sort of hidden impulse to respond to every detail of every post with a long reply. That's a personal problem I have. So to summarize, I did not intend for this to be inflated as such, but when someone replies, I will answer completely.

 

 

 

As far as "far fetched" arguments go, I don't think anything I've used to support my view was too out of the box. Everything has made sense to me, and as far as I know, none of them have been proven incorrect, except on the subject of the personality of Facebook v Tif users, but that is largely opinion. I only use arguments that support what I'm trying to say, and all of what I've argued make sense, at least to me.

 

 

 

And to the two points you brought up, and I hope you don't mind me responding to them, but again I'm obligated to do so, on signatures and uselessness. Signatures I've answered already. On uselessness, just remember that it's uses aren't set in stone, that they are a useful feature, and that they will be popular (if my assumptions are correct, which again is still up for debate, but I (and I'm guessing no one else) wants to go there again).

Thanks for the welcome back :)

 

 

 

I think I'm just surprised that a cosmetic feature which can already be done seems to be so desirable for you. Don't get me wrong, because I totally support cosmetic - or "unnecessary" - updates that people would enjoy. I don't like taking a stance of "It's not needed so it shouldn't be done." I think that if an unnecessary update would greatly appeal to the users, would help enhance the forum and isn't too difficult to be implemented, then it should be done. However, I'm still surprised by how far this has escalated because it can already easily be done in a signature. I hardly see the difference. I mean we're talking about moving less than a sentence of text from a signature to below an avatar.

 

 

 

So again, this is such a small thing that I'm not too passionate about it either way. If people really want it, fine. I don't think it will hurt anybody. Does it appeal to me? Not in the slightest. Would I ever read or notice it? Almost definitely not.

 

 

 

I apologize if you have already stated this, since I started skipping over some of the comments on the last page or two when I began to lose interest, but why do you think that this feature should be added to the custom profile fields slots when it can already be done in a signature? I know that you could say "Well any of the fields that we already have could be put in a signature" and that's true but they are much more necessary/convenient than what you're requesting, and people would actually have a reason to want to know them other than pure curiosity. So what I want to know is your personal reason (just curious).

Thanks for the welcome back :)

 

 

 

I think I'm just surprised that a cosmetic feature which can already be done seems to be so desirable for you. Don't get me wrong, because I totally support cosmetic - or "unnecessary" - updates that people would enjoy. I don't like taking a stance of "It's not needed so it shouldn't be done." I think that if an unnecessary update would greatly appeal to the users, would help enhance the forum and isn't too difficult to be implemented, then it should be done. However, I'm still surprised by how far this has escalated because it can already easily be done in a signature. I hardly see the difference. I mean we're talking about moving less than a sentence of text from a signature to below an avatar.

 

 

 

So again, this is such a small thing that I'm not too passionate about it either way. If people really want it, fine. I don't think it will hurt anybody. Does it appeal to me? Not in the slightest. Would I ever read or notice it? Almost definitely not.

 

 

 

I apologize if you have already stated this, since I started skipping over some of the comments on the last page or two when I began to lose interest, but why do you think that this feature should be added to the custom profile fields slots when it can already be done in a signature? I know that you could say "Well any of the fields that we already have could be put in a signature" and that's true but they are much more necessary/convenient than what you're requesting, and people would actually have a reason to want to know them other than pure curiosity. So what I want to know is your personal reason (just curious).

 

 

 

I probably wouldn't have read through 3 long pages of debate either. Here's my quote, just note it's out of context:

 

 

 

1) It's just that, a SIGNATURE. By definition, it's something you put at the end of your message. So by the time they're finished reading a reply, then they get to know who you are? That doesn't make sense to me. Remember that a status is a mini-blog, and let's those who read it get to know what you are thinking at that moment and what kind of person you are like.

 

2) Honestly speaking, things aren't very noticeable in your signature.

 

------a) How many people do you see actually put a "status-like" message in their signature? Not many.

 

------B) How many people do you see put images and drop results in their signature? A lot. The expectancy of an image there or a list of stats (or list of suggestions supported, in some cases) takes dominance. If you looked in my sig and saw: "Currently going for 99 attack", you would think "Ok, moving on now...". Why? Because the way the signature has developed (evolutionarily, you might say) has made such statements out-of-place. What is in place? Image signatures, stat signatures, drop results, and links to topics. The simple fact that status messages do not belong in the signature answers your question. I am not saying that you CAN'T put these things in your signature, they it's so unexpected that no one will think anything of it if you do put it there, which defeats the purpose. They don't belong in the sig. I didn't decide that, Facebook didn't decide that, the TIF staff didn't decide that. The RuneScape (and the Gaming Community as a whole, you could say) decided that. So we much work around that. People have decided over time that suits are appropriate for formal events. T-shirts are out-of-place. That doesn't mean you CAN'T wear a T-shirt to a formal event, it just means that it's very out-of-place. You didn't decide that, the makers of the T-shirt didn't decide that, the party host didn't decide that. The Global Community decided that. Therefore you must work around that.

 

-----c) Furthermore, it's not noticeable in the sig. It's at the very end of your post, at which point most people will give it a quick glance and move on with their lives.