multi-weapon idea

[brando13a]

My idea is a multi-weapon, meaning it is used for more than just melee, range or mage. the way i see it is as a drop from the upcoming slayer monsters, or some other random monster, you get said monsters jaw just like with the fremmy armor. you take the jaw and get it made into a staff, which you can use a bowstring on to make it a bow, or have an optoin of *separate* to make two swords.

 

 

 

idea on looks is this: the staff is curved to make a shape like a stretched u

 

 

 

with teeth or [bleep]es going from halway to the end of each side, in the middle is a handle. when used as a staff, both points face outward, as a bow it looks like a curved stick used for flinging javelins, and as the duel swords/katanas it is a longsword in each hand.

 

 

 

this weapon might serve as a high lvl (70ish) weapon, it could be a replacement of whip for best weapon spot, the staff is 1-handed while the other two speak for themselves, the katanas would have stats along the lines of: ------ def:

 

 

 

stab: 70 ------ stab:10

 

 

 

slash: 85 ----- slash:6

 

 

 

crush:-10 ----- crush:0

 

 

 

magic:0* ----- magic:-5

 

 

 

range:0* ------ range:5

 

 

 

str:85 prayer: 3 speed: same as longsword

 

 

 

* as a staff: ---- def:

 

 

 

stab:0 ------ stab:10

 

 

 

slash:-10 ------ slash:6

 

 

 

crush:60 ------ crush:0

 

 

 

magic:15 ------ magic:15

 

 

 

range:-10 ------ range:-5

 

 

 

str:55 prayer: 3 speed: same as spear or staff

 

 

 

* as a stick: --- def:

 

 

 

stab:0 ----- stab:0

 

 

 

slash:0 ------ slash:10

 

 

 

crush:-10 ----- crush:0

 

 

 

magic:0 ----- magic:5

 

 

 

range:75 ----- range:0

 

 

 

str:0 prayer:3 speed: same as crystal bow (slightly faster than longbow)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First i like to say i like this idea and i am willing to help you idea so here goes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

geesh why didnt any of you so called weapon experts put in a pic of the famous Double Cross Katana. This is a modern version of it and as you can see it is clearly both a staff and 2 blades.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The actual size of this fine piece of weaponary is 42", both blade are 19" so as you can see this idea isnt as bad as you noobs thought. Except for the bow thing which can be simply put out of the world by saying this is a fanatasy game and not a simulation..... though i think a better idea would be this......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If any of you had some understanding of weaponry throughout the world you would know that many tribes used a stick to throw a spear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

some info about this

 

 

 

The Throw Stick

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The throw stick does appear to have been used to some extent during Egypt's predynastic period as a weapon, but it seems to have not been very effective for this purpose. Yet, because of their simplicity, skilled infantry continued to use this weapon at least with some regularity through the end of the New Kingdom. It was used extensively for hunting fowl through much of Egypt's dynastic period.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For all you peeps that dont know what it looks like:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if you have a little fantasy you can easly combine these 3 things and Wallaaaahhh you have the idea our poster sort of had in mind. Now for all you people who cant really think, this would sort out the problem with useless javalins ! Since now you can fire your javalins with your Throwing stick that is combined in your (katana, staff,throwing stick)weapon. This would be a MASTER weapon which pulls of the plan you guys had in mind but without any knowledge of weaponry couldnt think off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the way this weapon would work as as following.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead of selecting attack strenght or defence you would be selecting these styles you would be selecting: Mage, Ranged or Melee. I know this would probly not work with the animations but this would be the best solutions but i dont think jagex can pull this off. Otherwise you would need to diss equip this item and slect it somehow in the inventory. Now if you would to choose staff you would be equiping a staff just like any. If you where to choose Melee you would equip double blades(wheter this be katanas or anything else since all you noobs just like to look smart and say the idea is lame). If you where to use Ranged you would also need to equip javalins such as rune javalins. Obviously the attack damedge and range would improve considerebly as the info says. This is logicall as the Throwing sticks functions act as an extention of your arm thus increasing the lengt of it which conducts in an increase of speed which leads to more range and power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The idea of this weapon would only be limited to the RS2 engine as i just proved it is POSSIBLE and fairly eassy. Not only did i proved it to be possible i also proved that javalins would be usefull, so that would be another awesome addition to ranged skill which is needed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont have a problem if you post this on other forums but i would like to get credit for it 8)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like any comments on this because obviously my idea isnt flawless but the main point of it has no flaws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dont flame me for grammer i am dutch and i try the best i can do in the time i have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Greetz,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blade

 

 

 

SUPER BIG thanks to bladeofgod for his help improving my range idea he gets huge props :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

to change the weapon is simple, just right click separate/connect

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the monster dropping the jaw would be very high lvled, something like the kbd, NON-multi area, very rare drop, and to have it crafted into the weapon would cost....bout 500k. my guess is price would sit around 10 mill for this weapon for a long time. the ratio would be about 1:1500, keep in mind this is an insane monster, high def, high hp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post what you think, im open to constructive critisism, and please no grammar police.

 

 

 

one more thing, if someonecould post this on official forums that'd be nice, with some credit to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*possible last note: this is an idea, nothing saying it will ever be implemented, at least not to rs, i just thought people would enjoy the concept, flame to your hearts content, but CONSTRUCTIVE critisism is

 

 

 

appreciated

[The_Zobel]

Another person suggesting katanas... I swear, they must be one of the most suggested items. Aside from horses of course. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's some constuctive critisism for you, think up something original next time.

[Barihawk]

Another person suggesting katanas... I swear, they must be one of the most suggested items. Aside from horses of course. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's some constuctive critisism for you, think up something original next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont know about you, but thats a pretty original idea. It was thought out, had numbers, and was more than "OMG! KATANA!".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you need an attitude adjustment, bud.

[UnformedDude]

Nice idea but, why not just have 3 different weapons?

[The_Zobel]

He also said that you could wield one in each hand, so that would give you a bonus of +170 slash attack and +170 strength. That's overkill if you ask me. Sounds just like another pitiful attempt to create the best weapon in the game... :roll:

[Barihawk]

He also said that you could wield one in each hand, so that would give you a bonus of +170 slash attack and +170 strength. That's overkill if you ask me. Sounds just like another pitiful attempt to create the best weapon in the game... :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not what he said at all. He meant that visually it would look like two swords, like Torag's hammers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You lose the internet for misuse of the rolling eyes emote, sorry.

[The_Zobel]

You lose the internet for misuse of the rolling eyes emote, sorry.

 

 

 

But I always use the rolling eyes emote when dealing with stupid people, just like now. :roll: See? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And in case you still don't understand... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[brando13a]

to clarify, i never said it was "katana's" i said thats what they would resemble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and why not 3 different weapons? because i think it's just a cool concept of not having to buy 3 different weapons when you can have it all wrapped up in one, with the use of one bowstring, dunno about you but switching from one of the best melee weapons (not 170 str and slash, whoever said that doesnt understand) to the best mage weapon, and then to a sweet bow in a matter of seconds is pretty awsome.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and thank you barihawk you've completly understood what im saying, i bow to you for using your brain :D

[Barihawk]

 

You lose the internet for misuse of the rolling eyes emote, sorry.

 

 

 

But I always use the rolling eyes emote when dealing with stupid people, just like now. :roll: See? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And in case you still don't understand... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your maturity ceases to amaze me.

[The_Zobel]

 

 

You lose the internet for misuse of the rolling eyes emote, sorry.

 

 

 

But I always use the rolling eyes emote when dealing with stupid people, just like now. :roll: See? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And in case you still don't understand... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your maturity ceases to amaze me.

 

 

 

Oh really? That's too bad...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry if I'm acting like an immature noob though, just got scammed out of 11m while buying d bones. I suppose that's what I get for not paying attention though... :x

[Barihawk]

Hate to get off topic, but look at your level. Scammers will single you out. I had a level 7 with full black (g) (from merchanting cow hides) and someone tried to scam me out of it many a times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On topic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While this would be nice, it would not be healthy for the combat arrangements. Crafting a powerful weapon from monster drops would be nice, but only if the weapons were separeted.

[brando13a]

i guess ill add on some statistics of getting it from the monster, just to give an idea of the price.

[The_Zobel]

I still don't see how this would work though, since katanas are two-handed weapons. It would be impossible to dual-wield them.

[banditx31]

i found out alot of people here are obsessed with japanese swords and a four legged mammals called horses. pretty original idea but please stay out of KATANANAS*shudders*

[Zonorhc]

I still don't see how this would work though, since katanas are two-handed weapons. It would be impossible to dual-wield them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They can be used one-handed, but not for prolonged periods of time unless the wielder is ridiculously strong. Also see the European hand-and-a-half sword, which was basically a katana, only actually reliable and useful in combat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the idea, no. It wouldn't make any sense at all. First, you have the fact that the separate parts could be used as melee blades. Next, you say that when attached, they can be strung together and used as a bow. Tell me this - where would you loop the string on an edged weapon while keeping its structural integrity intact, and how would it be useful as a melee weapon if it had the flexibility required to be an effective bow?

[banditx31]

actually im pretty contended with the stuff we already got. :D

[brando13a]

again i should clarify, THIS IS NOT A KATANA!!. i used katana as a visual refrence.

 

 

 

to answer a question, how does if have the flexibility of a bow and the durability of a sword? magic, simple as that. think about how a whip is stronger than a sword? that doesnt make sense either.

[The_Zobel]

again i should clarify, THIS IS NOT A KATANA!!. i used katana as a visual refrence.

 

 

 

to answer a question, how does if have the flexibility of a bow and the durability of a sword? magic, simple as that. think about how a whip is stronger than a sword? that doesnt make sense either.

 

 

 

Look at the end of an abbyssal whip and you'll see that it has a sharp tip. Any whip with a sharp tip is easily alot more deadly and stronger then a sword, especially if the person knows how to use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And surely you can think up something better then "magic" as a reason?

[Zonorhc]

again i should clarify, THIS IS NOT A KATANA!!. i used katana as a visual refrence.

 

 

 

to answer a question, how does if have the flexibility of a bow and the durability of a sword? magic, simple as that. think about how a whip is stronger than a sword? that doesnt make sense either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, there goes suspension of disbelief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That whip deals more damage because it relies on flexibility and that sharp tip to deal KE damage, as ALL whips do. The fact that it deals more damage is a show of how JAGeX's weapon designs are far from... rational. It might magically amplify the user's speed, whatever. But your excuse that "it's flexible and rigid at the same time because of magic" really takes suspension of disbelief and craps on it.

[brando13a]

if you're not able to see sarcasm i'm sorry, but not everything has to work in reality, if you know anything about history you know that whips were definatly not a deadly weapon, as they could not hit you if you wore any sort of armor (ie midevil times), the fact that its rigid as a sword and flexible as a bow can be explained by simple physics, it depends how you use it, string it as a bow and the string hold tension aswell as the user having good enough strength to flex the bow, as a sword you can use the curve to you advantage, make the point face toward the targed

 

 

 

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-------------/>-|<----force going this way has less effect on the integrity

 

 

 

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----------/------|<--bow string, pull back and it will bend with less effort

 

 

 

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simple physics :roll:

[Zonorhc]

Bows use the tension of the ENTIRE weapon to propel their projectiles. If you have a majority of the weapon as a rigid element (ie, something that would actually be useful as a melee weapon), then you're relying on the midsection of the bow for power. That isn't going to happen unless you're using a torsion-powered weapon such as a ballista. Conversely, if you have the whole thing flexible enough to be used as a bow, it would be nigh onto useless as a close-combat slashing weapon. In case you didn't know, you need your weapon to be sturdy enough and heavy enough to actually slash with. If you use a more flexible blade, which would mean a thinner blade, then you're best off using it as a piercing weapon, like a rapier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the whip being used as a weapon - of course it's not used as a battlefield weapon, which is where JAGeX screwed up with its idiotic whip idea. However, employing whips to harm people isn't a bad move, as not every peasant you'll find is going to be wearing a full suit of platemail. A whip-user with any idea of what he's doing will know to aim for exposed areas in any case, to let the barbs of the whip do the most damage they can - this means the face or arms. On an armoured target, all you'll be able to do with a whip is restrict their mobility, and even then it wouldn't be too effective. You'd be better off going in with a dagger and ramming it into the joints.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stringing the weapon would require that there is something to loop the string around. If those things are going to be used as swords, you won't be looping it around the entire thing because it'll have an edge, which means you'll have to have a hole in the blade. A hole in your blade isn't a very good idea for a number of reasons. One is that it weakens the entire section of metal where it is drilled. Secondly, muscular action after you jam it into someone's torso will delay you a little while you pull out, and that half a second could cost you your life. Lastly, it screws up balance like nothing else. Got a curve on your sword? good on you. But remember that bows are almost straight when unstrung (unless it's a recurve bow), so having a curve in the weapon before you even string it is only going to mean that you'll have a lot less tension in the weapon. If your curve isn't THAT large to begin with, then you'll need flexibility in the blade to get it to bend. Which you wouldn't want on a slashing weapon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another point on this is the fact that if you do intend to use the bow, then you will like to remember that materials are a lot more flexible on their flattest surface - which in this case would mean the sides of the bow. Since you want to use the back edge of the sword as the inside of the bow's curve, then in order to be able to get any flexibility out of it - which, as I've already pointed out, is a stupid idea to begin with - then you'll have to be stretching the other side, namely, the blade. Bad idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're going to need a better reason than "it doesn't have to make sense" or "magic" to get this idea across. Otherwise, scrap the idea of having a bow that you can turn into a pair of swords. It's stupid beyond belief.

[felecia_king]

no no no no no u are drifting away from the video game fantasy world to the real world. this is a video game it is ment to be fun and should not be expected to be realistic. the main idea he has is actually very good if you take time to think about it and make some corrections to it. does everybody know daggonoth armor? this will be simular but instead of armor it would be a weapon. did u know there are 3 types of daggonoth armor for the three

 

 

 

combat types? well this would be simular. let me add on to the idea, if you will. i think there should be like a king daggonoth and he would be like a boss like the kalphite is or the kbd and he would drop a pair of jaws. you would need parts from a daggonoth to make a certain weapon with the jaws, such as you do for makeing the armor. for a bow u would need a tail of a daggonoth or sumthin and for a swoard u would need claws of a daggonoth or wutever and then u take the parts to one of the fremmys, such as you do for the armor, and they would craft you ur weapon for an amount of money. now nothing says these weapons need to be the best in the game because daggonoth armor isnt either. i think this or something like this would be good for the game. it could even introduce a new quest"daggonoth slayer" and it wouldhelp make the daggonoth dungeon more popular. if you dont like the daggonoth idea then mabey it could be simular but with one of the new slayer monsters. now this is just an idea so there are going to be people who think it is dumb or unreasonable but it is just an idea and it has lots of room for improvement. flamers are gae.

[brando13a]

My main idea was just put the idea of a multi-weapon out there, but i guess i messed up because every little detail about it isnt perfect, and some people get up tight because i used katana as a reference.

 

 

 

and for whoever posted the huge thing which i took the time to read you have some very strong points, i agree with much of what you said but i also realise you didnt quite understand my bad diagram, melee weapon: put the [bleep]es toward the enemy then the curve adds support againts the opposing force, with bow turn it around and the bow will bend with the pull of the string, nothing says ill even send this in to Jagex, probably another game that is being made, such as P.S.U. (phantasy star universe), they have taken my ideas before 8) (if you've played pso look for the Varista)

 

 

 

in a game nothing has to work, and again I USE SARCASM, my whole "it works because of magic" wasnt meant to be seious, and as for the question"where will the string go?!?!/11/?, it is so amazingly easy to add on a niche or something its not even funny.

 

 

 

it's just an idea, jeez you people flame it like its the death of the world :twisted:

[Nugget89]

if you're not able to see sarcasm i'm sorry, but not everything has to work in reality, if you know anything about history you know that whips were definatly not a deadly weapon, as they could not hit you if you wore any sort of armor (ie midevil times), the fact that its rigid as a sword and flexible as a bow can be explained by simple physics, it depends how you use it, string it as a bow and the string hold tension aswell as the user having good enough strength to flex the bow, as a sword you can use the curve to you advantage, make the point face toward the targed

 

 

 

----------------/|

 

 

 

---------------/>|

 

 

 

--------------/>|-----------------enemy

 

 

 

-------------/>-|<----force going this way has less effect on the integrity

 

 

 

------------/>--|

 

 

 

-----------/>---|

 

 

 

----------/------|<--bow string, pull back and it will bend with less effort

 

 

 

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---------+ (note that i simply stink at drawing with text)

 

 

 

simple physics :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever seen a whip? A real whip? I guarantee you that a guy with a whip would soundly beat a guy with a sword.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As long as we're talking about real life: whips are usually about 10-15 feet long. They can easily reach that distance and either grab a person's hand or take their weapon from it. They're used in torture and in enforcing slave camps (in case you've never been to history class or watched a kung-fu movie.) With the momentum that is gained by it being lashed around, it could pierce armor about as easily as a really really flexible sword could.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Swords are about 3-5 ft. They are completely rigid. You gain little momentum from them... unless they somehow managed to cut the whip before they got beat down, they're really not a match for someone who knows how to use the whip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for making a sword...or two swords especially into a bow, that won't work...lest, as Felicia said it stunk as a sword or a bow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whips are made to be flexible. Their whole strength is that they get lashed around. Swords are based on precision and their strength is that they are hard and stiff...unless of course people want fencing in runescape. You said a whip couldn't pierce and armor in "midevil" (medieval btw) times. Well, imagine a sword that had a massive curve in the middle of it and could be bent with relative ease? That wouldn't even be able to cut toast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The curve might help, but for it to get any power in it, the bow would still need to bend...which would make for a weaker sword.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bows are flexible. Their whole integrity is based on the fact that they are a solid, flexible piece. Swords are supposed to be strong and rigid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, that's just me. I don't feel like getting in a flame war, I've been in my fair share of those. That's just my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just as a side note: I well realize that whips aren't like that in the game...their strength is based on being farther away than your opponent can reach...which is why it is fairly stupid that they are the best close range melee weapon. Just thought I'd throw that out there before I got flamed for it.

[brando13a]

i take evything your saying into prespective, but not everything HAS to work. i know what i'm talking about, and i know all about how whips were used in the past, and btw only in the movies were they capable of rendering a sword useless by wrapping around and ripping it away, the person would have to stand still to allow this to happen, in a case of whip vs. sword the person with the sword would rush the the whip making it near impossible to hit with and stopping it from being used at all. a 15 ft. whip is useless if your targed is 2 feet away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and as for those who say bad stuff about a raw idea:

 

 

 

nothings perfect, but i don't see God complaining about you...