ahs_student Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 hey, im new to building a pc but i know it saves money and i need a new one so ive deciced to build one. Il be buying parts from http://www.web-systems.co.uk or another website e.g. http://www.scan.co.uk or any other good websites ive got a budget of about ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã1000 (needs to include monitor too) so i need some help on what parts to buy and i dont need a mouse or keyboard. i want to use it for games such as silkroad and guildwars, so help please :) Btw i need an intel pentium processer i dont think athlon works with wilkroad, my freind said it didnt work for him because he has an athlon processer and to be honest i would i prefer an intel based system Incase anyone needs, silkroad requirments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Why are you adamant on ordering it from that place? The prices aren't great and it doesn't stock particularly good components, which, for a budget of ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã1000, you can afford to get. I would suggest ordering from http://www.microdirect.co.uk - they have better prices and a larger range of better quality products. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahs_student Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 ok il have a look but this place is local so i could get to the shop if i needed to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanne_Vega Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 OK... 1.) drop the budget-busting audio card, unless you are going to spend $200US or more on speakers the audio on your main board will be sufficient, or you can buy a decent budget audio card for $35. 2.) go single-core for the CPU, unless you plan to run Maya or Lightwave, or have streaming media playing alongside your games. The premium for dual-core isn't worth it, especially when you can buy a decent single-core CPU for slightly more than half the price, or less. When the next generation of CPUs comes out, the prices of today's hot proc's will plummet and in a year or so you will be able to get a FX-60 or better to replace this one without breaking the bank. 3.) Find a better vendor. The shop down the street might be conveniently located, but they also charge through the nose. You will get a much better computer for less money by ordering through the mail from a reputable vendor. 4.) Pour the money you save into a better video card, at the very least go for the 2-GPU-on-one-board 6600-based model from here: http://www.giga-byte.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-3D1-XL.htm or something better. Suzanne Vegatokin rite wurx gud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Your friend is mistaken, a AMD Athlon 64 would run fine with silkroad. It would also preform better then a comparabely priced intel processor for most games. Below I suggested a system around a intel Parts from Web-Systems Online CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.2Ghz 640 (Skt775) 2mb Cache Retail ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 148.00 Motherboard: Asus P5ND2-SLI Skt 775* ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã62.13 Ram: Kingston 1024MB DDR PC 3200 (X2_ ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã130 Case: ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã30 PSU: Be Quiet! 470W ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 63.00 Hard-Drive: Maxtor 160 GB 7200 RPM 8 MB Cache ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 42.55 Sparkle GeForce 7800GT 256MB (PCiEx) ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 242.00 Total: ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã717 Other Costs: (If not required upgrade the CPU) Microsoft Windows XP Pro: 102.00 Monitor: Suyama 19 inch TFT Monitor (Silver/Black) 179.00 *not up to date on Intel motherboards, it does look good but I did not check reviews, There might be a better alternative. AMD Alternative CPU: AMD A64 939 3800+ X2 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 187.00 or AMD A64 939 3200 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 100.43 Motherboard: MSI K8N SLI-FI Skt 939 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 82.00 .......................................................................................... Thirdly for price comparison sakes I assembled a system from scan.co.uk AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 3800 + Retail ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã215.47 Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã66. or Asus A8N-E ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã67.80 Memory: 2GB (2X1GB) Corsair Value Select PC3200 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã110.63 Video Card: EVGA Nvidia GF7800GT CO ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã225.59 Hard-Drive: 160Gb Western Digital ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã54.27 Power Supply: 500W Enermax Liberty ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã70.25 Case: ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã30+ Total ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã770 (Simalar, but slightly slower system would cost ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã776 from Web-Systems Online, slower due to the fact that the evga video card has been overclocked, and that the memory is not dual channel, at the end of the day the prices from the two stores are comparable. I would personally split the order across two stores, but that can be extra hassle ( I like to buy my monitor, Video Card seperatly from the rest of the components ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahs_student Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 ok thanks for the help guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammy316 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Why are you adamant on ordering it from that place? The prices aren't great and it doesn't stock particularly good components, which, for a budget of ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã1000, you can afford to get. I would suggest ordering from http://www.microdirect.co.uk - they have better prices and a larger range of better quality products. Don't buy from Microdirect.. that company is absolute awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahs_student Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 well people i know irl have told me web-systems is really good so i will probably buy from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahs_student Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 Your friend is mistaken, a AMD Athlon 64 would run fine with silkroad. It would also preform better then a comparabely priced intel processor for most games. are you sure? it does say in the req it needs pentium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_k0m0d0_ Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Your friend is mistaken, a AMD Athlon 64 would run fine with silkroad. It would also preform better then a comparabely priced intel processor for most games. are you sure? it does say in the req it needs pentium Yeah, they sai this as reference... AMD Processor are better for games... a 2.2Ghz will do fine as a Pentium 4 HT 3.x or 2.x... And buy a 512Mb video card! Some of them cost as much as a 256Mb, but you need to search! Here is something... The prices ar not all right...are moreless ->AMD ATI RADEON X1300 256MB PCI-E US$ 197.00 DDR PC3200 CORSAIR 2GB VALUE DUAL US$ 215.00 DVDRW/CDRW LG GSA-4167BK OEM BLACK US$ 62.00 ASUS A8N-SLI US$ 165.00 AMD ATHLON 64 3700(2.2Ghz) 939 BOX SAN DIEGO US$ 289.00 S u b T o t a l: US$ 928.00 ------------------------------------------------------------ ->AMD DualCore ATI RADEON X1300 256MB PCI-E US$ 197.00 DDR PC3200 CORSAIR 2GB VALUE DUAL US$ 215.00 DVDRW/CDRW LG GSA-4167BK OEM BLACK US$ 62.00 ASUS A8N-SLI PREMIUM US$ 232.00 AMD ATHLON 64 X2 3800(2.0Ghz) 939 BOX US$ 399.00 S u b T o t a l: US$ 1,105.00 ------------------------------------------------------------- ->Intel ATI RADEON X1300 256MB PCI-E US$ 197.00 DDR PC3200 CORSAIR 2GB VALUE DUAL US$ 215.00 DVDRW/CDRW LG GSA-4167BK OEM BLACK US$ 62.00 MSI P4N SLI-FI (MS-7160-020) US$ 172.00 INTEL PENTIUM 4 540J 3.2Ghz LGA775 1Mb BOX US$ 292.00 S u b T o t a l: US$ 938.00 --------------------------------------------------------------- ->Intel DualCore ATI RADEON X1300 256MB PCI-E US$ 197.00 DDR PC3200 CORSAIR 2GB VALUE DUAL US$ 215.00 DVDRW/CDRW LG GSA-4167BK OEM BLACK US$ 62.00 MSI 955X PLATINUM (MS-7158-010) US$ 229.00 INTEL PENTIUM D 820 2.8Ghz LGA775 US$ 299.00 S u b T o t a l: US$ 1,002.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the Extras:HD, Monitor and Case HD - Hard Drives - Maxtor Serial ATA HD US$ 90,00 / Maxtor DiamondMax 10 6L080M0 80GB Hard Drive (Serial ATA-150, 7,200 RPM, 8MB - SKU: 6L080M0) - MAXTOR Serial ATA HD US$ 93,00 / Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 120GB Hard Drive (Serial ATA-150, 7200 RPM, 8MB - SKU: 6Y120M0) Monitor -Samsung SyncMaster LCD 17" US$290,00 /R$ 510,00 ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ R$630,00 Samsung SyncMaster 730B Black 17" LCD Monitor (17", 1280x1024, 8ms, DVI, PC - SKU: 730B) Case NZXT LEXA Classic Series Black/Silver Mid Tower US$ 180-200 (ATX, 11 Bays, 500W - SKU: LEXA) DescriÃÆÃâÃâçÃÆÃâÃâão: LEXA Classic Series Black/Silver Mid Tower (ATX, 11 Bays, 500W) Fabricante: NZXT General Features: Front Earphone Jack, Front Firewire Ports, Front Microphone Jack, Front USB Ports, LCD Display, No-Tool Assembly Power Supply: 500 W Chassis Color: Black, Silver Chassis Style: Tower (Midsize) Cooling Fans (Max): 4 Cooling Fans Included: 4 Included Components: Carrying Strap, Power Supply ~komodo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart_G Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 The X1300 isnt that great at all. Several other cards beat it out in the benchmarks on Tom's Hardware Guide. Hell, even a normal 128MB 6600 beats it in most of the tests. Something like this 6800GS would be a much better alternative to the X1300 you listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Your friend is mistaken, a AMD Athlon 64 would run fine with silkroad. It would also preform better then a comparabely priced intel processor for most games. are you sure? it does say in the req it needs pentium 99.99% sure it would be fine.... I also could not find any comments about it not supporting AMD processors online. My last post was quite rumbling. So I would include a more compact system suggestion this time. I used web-systems for the parts. CPU: AMD A64 939 3200 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã118.00 Motherboard: MSI K8N Diamond Nforce4 SLi (with intergrated SoundBlaster Live!) ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã 115.00 Memory: Kingston 1024MB DDR PC 3200 x2 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã128.00 Video Card*: Sparkle GeForce 7800GT 256MB ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã239.00 Hard Drive: Maxtor 200 GB SATA II 7200 8MB cache ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã61.00 DVD-RW: Philips 16x Dual Layer Black (OEM) (or Liteon, or different colour) ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã28.00 Speakers: Creative Inspire T3030 2.1 Speakers ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã37.0 PSU: Be Quiet! 470W ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã63.00 Case: Something you like ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã30+- Total: ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã819 * I would be tempted to order a EVGA 7800GT CO or a XFX Extreme 7800GT from http://www.scan.co.uk, They are better cards (factory overclocked), and they costs less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammy316 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 If you want to buy from a site and live in uk http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Don't buy from Microdirect.. that company is absolute awful. Err, no? I have ordered my christmas packages (~ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã450 worth of hardware each christmas) from them for several years, along with systems I have built for my flatmates and miscellaneous bits for mine. You can't just say they are awful without giving a reason. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_k0m0d0_ Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 The X1300 isnt that great at all. Several other cards beat it out in the benchmarks on Tom's Hardware Guide. Hell, even a normal 128MB 6600 beats it in most of the tests. Something like this 6800GS would be a much better alternative to the X1300 you listed. Yeah this V-Card is better because its 256bit and 256Mb, Its a wise choise :D And its cheap! O.o Lol! ~komodo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahs_student Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Militaris, the comp you last said, would that be good with an intel cpu and a motherboard? and if you get time can you do all that but with the intel stuff and the video card you would order from scan.co.uk? thanks if you can dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahs_student Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Can someone tell me what motherboard to get if i bought this CPU? And also is it worth getting? Intel Pentium D 930 , Socket775 , Presler , 3.0 GHz , 4MB Cache, Retail http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=329234 plus has this case got a cpu and what does the 400W mean if it doesnt have a psu lol :oops: http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=2731 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 It does have a PSU. But don't use it. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 The build I did would also be fine with a Intel processor in it, but with slightly less preformance in game. I would probably suggest you get a Intel Pentium 650 (Skt775) or a Intel Pentium D 820 2.8GHz. This review (link below) shows what impact the CPU has on games, as you would see there is not much of a difference between them. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/di ... ames2.html With regards to the motherboard, the best choice with regards to preformance would be the Asus P5ND2-SLI Skt 775, although the cheaper skt755 boards should be alright. I do not know if there would be a real life preformance decrease. (only considering the boards Web-Systems have on their website). The case you selected does have a PSU, the 400W indicates the total wattage of the included power supply (the total wattage is not a very good guide). The quality of the included PSU would probably not be very good, there is a decent chance that it would not be able to power a new system. I reccomend you purchase a 'high' quality PSU, the stocked be-quiet ones are suppose to be of excellent quality and it seem to be quite competively priced. The guide below is a good summary of what to look for when buying a PSU, the first two posts should be of interest. (After the first 2 the content is targeted towards a new zealand market) http://forums.overclockers.co.nz/showthread.php?t=14881 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 The X1300 isnt that great at all. Several other cards beat it out in the benchmarks on Tom's Hardware Guide. Hell, even a normal 128MB 6600 beats it in most of the tests. Something like this 6800GS would be a much better alternative to the X1300 you listed. Yeah this V-Card is better because its 256bit and 256Mb, Its a wise choise :D And its cheap! O.o Lol! ~komodo It is better not because of the extra memory, but because it is a much better designed (and potentially less crippled card). The amount of memory attached to a card, in most cases is irrelevant with regards to how the card would preform. For example a XpertVision GeForce 6600 512MB would be crap compared with a Radeon X800 GTO 128MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_k0m0d0_ Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 The X1300 isnt that great at all. Several other cards beat it out in the benchmarks on Tom's Hardware Guide. Hell, even a normal 128MB 6600 beats it in most of the tests. Something like this 6800GS would be a much better alternative to the X1300 you listed. Yeah this V-Card is better because its 256bit and 256Mb, Its a wise choise :D And its cheap! O.o Lol! ~komodo It is better not because of the extra memory, but because it is a much better designed (and potentially less crippled card). The amount of memory attached to a card, in most cases is irrelevant with regards to how the card would preform. For example a XpertVision GeForce 6600 512MB would be crap compared with a Radeon X800 GTO 128MB. So you just trying to say that is the Video card has 1Gb (suposse plz!!!) and its bad designed, and another video card has 128Mb, and is very well designed the well-128mb-designed card will be better? ~komodo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 The video memory has very little to do with the speed at which it can process the image. A 6600GT card with 512MB of memory has a slower GPU than a 7800GTX with 256MB, so the amount of memory is largely inconsequent in those circumstances - the 7800GTX would be undoubtably more capable. It only comes into play if you're wanting to use uncompressed textures or other things which will occupy huge amounts of the card's memory. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Just a upgrade on the video card, recently the 7900GT was launched, and early price indicators shows that it is priced only slightly higher then the 7800GT. The good thing is that the 7900GT out preforms (only slightly) the much more expensice 7800GTX. So to sum it up, it is a 7800GTX for the price of a 7800GT. The prices start (at scan) from ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã257 for a standard clocked card, factory overclocked cards retail for slightly more. The cheapest 7800GTX I can is ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã278.78. In my opinion it is differently a worthwhile purchase. I suspect they would be in stock shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Intel System from scan.co.uk CPU Intel Pentium 4 650 Socket 775 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã187.22 or Intel Pentium D 820 Socket775 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã163.56 Compare the preformance of the CPU there http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html MotherBoard Gigabyte GA-8I945P Pro ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã86.59 (lots of features) or Abit AL8-V S775 ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã73.43 (Great overclocker) Memory 2GB (2X1GB) Corsair Value Select PC3200 (400) Twin Pack ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã106.40 Graphics Cards 256MB XFX 7900GT XXX ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã323.07 Hard Drives 200Gb SATA150 Western Digital WD2000JD Caviar SE ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã61. PSU 485W Enermax Noisetaker ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã64 Case ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã40 DVD Writers (Dual Layer) ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã30 Total:ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã897 Notes: -Did not budget for O/S, or for a monitor. -Selected a 7900GT instead of a 7800GT. -Did not choose a Case, I do not know what you like. - Did not choose a DVD/CD writer because I know little about them. - With any spare money, might want to upgrade the CPU. - For the specs of this machine, a good PSU is highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahs_student Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 ok sorry militaris, but if you have time could you make an anthlon based comp if their better for games :oops: ive been told by people who play sro they work so if you get time it would rally help..sorry for the trouble. And if you can could you like try to budget for the monitor too and about ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã50 for the case, i dont need an OS. Thanks if you can dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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