Twin/dual blades

[Ryenkishu]

I've always wondered why Jagex have never included twin swords. I've searched the tip.it forums and no-one else seems to have sed nething so I'll give u my thoughts on it.

 

 

 

The swords themselves would be about half the length of a longsword, 1 held in both hands. Unlike the defender, the second sword doesn't give a def. bonus, but works in partnership with its twin. The resulting effect is a melee weapon (or weapons) that work at around the same speed as throwing knives or darts.

 

 

 

Imagine a Dragon weapon at that speed! Hitting off a 20 every couple of seconds. Now, thinking as Jagex do, there's no way that a weapon that powerful would b included, so I'd suggest lowering the strength of the weapon until its maximum hit was around 8. That's still an incredible 240 damage per minute.

 

 

 

Possible Special Attacks could include:

 

 

 

Rampage: Many 1's and 2's dealt at incredible speed for 10 seconds

 

 

 

Double-strike: 1 super-charged hit with both swords at the same time

 

 

 

Parry: Transfer the the attack bonus of the second blade to a defence bonus for 1 min.

 

 

 

Split: Fight two enemies at once for a limited period of time

 

 

 

If they existed these would be my weapon of choice.

 

Let me know what u think.

 

 

 

NOTE: I'll try an make a picture at a later date.

[sligo]

In my experience (thanks to exposure with organizations like the SCA), fighting with two weapons has both advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages far outweigh the advantages, which is why we didn't see a whole lot of this historically.

 

 

 

Florentine style (which is what I've known it called) looks flashy, and if you are one-on-one with another sword fighter using a sword and shield, you do have a slight advantage. Mainly because your opponent really can't attack with his shield. A skilled two-hand fighter will use the two blades to an advantage by being able to attack from different angles while still keeping one blade back for defense.

 

 

 

It's the defense that gets you. Not having a shield leaves you especially vulnerable to ranged attacks, since you can't hide behind a sword blade (ok, some pirates did it in a play I was in, but that's another story). Against power attacks (larger creatures), your defensive sword wouldn't be very effective because you don't have the leverage to make an effective block or deflection.

 

 

 

You get the point I'm making? I think the concession that Jagex has made regarding the "Defender" blade is sufficient. People want to use two weapons because it looks cool, but in real combat situations, it won't help you much, if at all.

 

 

 

- Sligo

[Ryenkishu]

w00t! im pratctically drowning in the amount of replies i'm getting...

[Ryenkishu]

ty for the decent reply.

 

 

 

I c the point ur making, lol u know ur stuff! I'd still like the swords, even if only for show purposes, I reckon player v. player both with twin swords would be something to c.

 

 

 

ty again

 

:D

[Zonorhc]

In my experience (thanks to exposure with organizations like the SCA), fighting with two weapons has both advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages far outweigh the advantages, which is why we didn't see a whole lot of this historically.

 

 

 

Florentine style (which is what I've known it called) looks flashy, and if you are one-on-one with another sword fighter using a sword and shield, you do have a slight advantage. Mainly because your opponent really can't attack with his shield. A skilled two-hand fighter will use the two blades to an advantage by being able to attack from different angles while still keeping one blade back for defense.

 

 

 

It's the defense that gets you. Not having a shield leaves you especially vulnerable to ranged attacks, since you can't hide behind a sword blade (ok, some pirates did it in a play I was in, but that's another story). Against power attacks (larger creatures), your defensive sword wouldn't be very effective because you don't have the leverage to make an effective block or deflection.

 

 

 

You get the point I'm making? I think the concession that Jagex has made regarding the "Defender" blade is sufficient. People want to use two weapons because it looks cool, but in real combat situations, it won't help you much, if at all.

 

 

 

- Sligo

 

 

 

Wow, an educated response on TIF about weapon usage? What's the world coming to?

 

 

 

A targettier would still have the advantage over a dual-wielder since he can hide his line of attack by pushing his shield close to the opponent's face. Also, a shield can cover an entire attacking side if you take a stance that doesn't involve you facing your enemy directly like an idiot.

 

 

 

Also, you wouldn't be half as fast as you'd think with two swords because you would lack the co-ordination, stamina and strength to keep up an attack for very long. Realistically, you'd only attack with one blade most of the time, anyway.

 

 

 

Anyway, like Sligo said, there's a reason why blade/blade was rarely used on the battlefield. Old manuals and historians such as John Silver (no matter how much I dislike him) attest the true superiority of sword and target, two-handed swords and polearms.

[FuBai]

In my experience (thanks to exposure with organizations like the SCA), fighting with two weapons has both advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages far outweigh the advantages, which is why we didn't see a whole lot of this historically.

 

 

 

Florentine style (which is what I've known it called) looks flashy, and if you are one-on-one with another sword fighter using a sword and shield, you do have a slight advantage. Mainly because your opponent really can't attack with his shield. A skilled two-hand fighter will use the two blades to an advantage by being able to attack from different angles while still keeping one blade back for defense.

 

 

 

It's the defense that gets you. Not having a shield leaves you especially vulnerable to ranged attacks, since you can't hide behind a sword blade (ok, some pirates did it in a play I was in, but that's another story). Against power attacks (larger creatures), your defensive sword wouldn't be very effective because you don't have the leverage to make an effective block or deflection.

 

 

 

You get the point I'm making? I think the concession that Jagex has made regarding the "Defender" blade is sufficient. People want to use two weapons because it looks cool, but in real combat situations, it won't help you much, if at all.

 

 

 

- Sligo

 

 

 

The florentine style uses a rapier or longsword and a dueling knife. Often the dueling knife was shaped oddly, with square indentations and holes along one edge. This allowed the attackers blade to become caught in the notch, so it may be twisted out of his hands. The whole issue of fighting with two blades is not as cut and dried as you have made out.

 

 

 

In the hands of a particulalry skilled fighter, the dueling dagger or smallsword, was able to provide not only good defence, but allowed a more flexible and fluid defence, which gave the dueler a great advantage over a buckler or shield. The problem was maintaining the required concentration and skill level to controll both blades at once, and adaquatley defending with one hand whilst attacking with another. When you think of the defensive properties of the smallsword, they seem quite limited. However, think in terms that the attack must allso use a sword weapon. This means that a dagger is able to deflect and parray most blows. This all required a very high level of skill, which meant that most who attempted it failed miserably. When compared to shield fighting, it requires much more skill. Moreover, these were dueling weapons only, so both duelists had to have the same weapons as part of the rules of the duel. This meant that there was little fighting between shield weilders and dagger wielders.

 

 

 

One of the places runescape falls down, I think, is in not exploring the offensive properties of the shield. The shield was often used to ram and push back an assailant, damgaging him in the process. Indeed, the romans had [bleep]es on the fornt of thier square shields, which they used offensivley to stab oncomign attackers.

 

 

 

Giving shields like the dragon square (clearly based on the roman shields) and others an offensive bonus would be more realistic...and it would be a great bonus against pures, who wouldnt be able to wield them.

[Ryenkishu]

:shock: How does everyone know all of this stuff?! I like the offensive shield idea, and I've been well and truly shown that the double swords won't work, but since when was Runescape physics that in-depth? Come to think of it, twin swords are a lot like claws, and they still included them in the game, didn't they?

 

 

 

But since when were claws any good....