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Darklight, Bone Dagger, and Dragon Axe specials?

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I read on the special attacks here: http://tip.it/runescape/?page=combat_guide.htm#special

 

 

 

Does anyone know the exact or approxomite numbers of each spec (how much def does darklight lower, etc). And for the bone dagger, how do you hit someone "unsuspecting"? I want to weigh my choices before using them in duel arena.

 

 

 

Also, do these special attacks have to do damage for their effect to take place?

they count as unsuspecting if they are looking away from you when you attack with the special

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Darklight lowers their defence by 5% if it is effective, if its against a demon, it lowers it by 10%. And the bone dagger lowers defence by however much damage you inflict. So, all of them have to hit to do anything.

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Aww man, I was hoping even if it hit 0 it'd still do the special effect, well thanks for the reply, I think I'm going to stick to good ole excalibur =)

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