fiji cou

[Bufoman]

I was wondering what people where thinking about the recent military cou in fiji. from what I understand a general has sucessfully remeoved a democratic govement from power and replaced it with a dictatorship. the current prime minister is/ was placed in house arrest... any one have some idea whats going on over there?

[BlueLancer]

It's a coup, and it does have public support. The 'democratically elected' government was extremely corrupt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides, it has been only temporarily replaced. In fact the general promised earlier elections than the former Prime Minister, similar to Thailand's coup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither of those two coups have any "scary" aspect to them because a big part of the public thinks the government was too corrupt (and the Thai PM no longer holds his job either)

[Bufoman]

well I for one do not like to see military coups takeing place anywheres where there is a democracy... it can only end 3 ways. one the old goverment regains power, 2 the new goverment delivers its promis, or 3 the new goverment becomes a junta like the one in burma.

[Barihawk]

BlueLancer, every general who leads a military coup promises free elections soon. The election may be free, but the results are in his palm.

[BlueLancer]

BlueLancer, every general who leads a military coup promises free elections soon. The election may be free, but the results are in his palm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a thing called election observers. Thousands of them enter a country to observe the elections. Should they not be let in their relations with all other countries will be worse and they could even face sanctions from the UN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Such as in Venezuela, Chavez (though he rose into power legitimately) has won the elections now what, 5-6 times? And they have been declared as entirely legit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Burma is a very different exception and they never did promise elections anyway.

[insane]

they could even face sanctions from the UN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And what does that mean nowadays?

[BlueLancer]

 

they could even face sanctions from the UN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And what does that mean nowadays?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you're not familiar with economic sanctions. It's the only working threat the UN has. All of it's members adhere to it on the penalty of being kicked out of the UN themselves, which means the country would have to start smuggling goods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, if the UN's relations with a single country worsen enough, like in the case of Iraq in the 1990's, they will propose economic sanctions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which basically means, other UN countries can't legally ship goods in the country. (Such as currently, no member state can export *anything* to North Korea, and recently even luxury goods were prohibited)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fiji is an island state. Make your conclusions, even if their nearest neighbors (and especially Australia) condemned the coup and there would be no free elections, their economy would be crippled if they can't export and import goods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Australia is not dependent on Fiji. Fiji is dependent on Australia.

[Bufoman]

you mentioned chevaz being lagit... I herd he let in alot of foren nationals who would vote for him into the county and gave them the right to vote... and who could even think that chevaz is an okay man? he hates my country with a passion and preaches our downfall... but that is getting too off topic even for this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes I agree that fiji will suffer should they fall into despotizem but look at cuba. it has been sanctioned by the U.S.A. for decades and still the dictator has not fallen. cuba is an island nation by the way.

[BlueLancer]

you mentioned chevaz being lagit... I herd he let in alot of foren nationals who would vote for him into the county and gave them the right to vote...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Source? If you read or watch BBC news, you'd know he has at least 60% support in Venezuela. I doubt he let paid the trips for 10% of the countrys population (if such numbers of venezuelans even exist abroad).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes I agree that fuji will suffer should they fall into despotizem but look at cuba. it has been sanctioned by the U.S.A. for decades and still the dictator has not fallen. cuba is an island nation by the way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fuji is a japanese mountain by the way. But Cuba is not a similar style dictatorship as Burma (Myanmar). Fidel Castro has enormous public support, even in other latin american countries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And he should have a reason to hate the US. It has repeatedly tried to occupy the island and conspire against it. Read more about operation northwoods for example.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro, as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's no reason to defend one's country just because you are it's citizen. Governments aren't perfect, especially not the american one. Had the war occurred and Cuba been occupied, everybody would ridicule people trying to find out the real motives of the war and say "he started it".

[warri0r45]

The 'democratically elected' government was extremely corrupt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i believe you are correct, and the idea of the coup (with a silent p) isnt to make a dictatorship.

[Militaris]

I Support the actions which Frank Bainimarama and the military have taken. The Fijian government was corrupt, and the democratic process in Fiji is not entirely democratic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The current government was also going to pardon many of the organizers of the 2000 coup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is such a shame, that so much of the international community and the UN is supporting the corrupt governments. I suspect many of them could see the same thing happening to them one day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wish him every luck to succeed.

[assassin_696]

It sounds like the "democracy" that's in place wasn't much of one, so if this is what it takes to bring Fiji back to what it's citizens want then that's fine by me.