*Scrolls up, slowly deletes the six-paragraph rant I was writing...* Speaking of rants though, I didn't get that internship. I wrote back and complained in rather strong terms, and was then told most of the people they took had 5-10 more years of work experience...even though their application encouraged people at my level to apply. It does say something when that's the best argument the program director can put forward though. Guess I'll keep looking elsewhere. For an internship?? How are people intended to...get that experience? For an internship?? How are people intended to...get that experience? 4 years university counts as roughly 2 years experience if you sell it that way. I haven't hesitated to talk about university cousework with Spring boot and Hibernate for full stack positions. Contribute to open source projects Get a data entry job and write software for it. Your not a developer congrats, list that whole 1-n years xp there as a developer position.