Lakitsym_Rose

*Some people find insults to their intelligence.... Insulting. And I obviously misunderstood the question the first time and I didn't bother re-reading it when you asked the second time because I didn't think I had mis-read it. *For Discussion. *I already stated I have no problem with the Rule change. *Luring is a much more of a challenge then Staking. *I want to know what everyone thinks. Not just the same 5-6 People.

High-five on calling someone dumb while telling him to no call people dumb. :roll: Either way, that guy keeps dodging his question like some kind of a pro polititian First of all he didn't say not to call people dumb. Second of all I wasn't dodging the question I clearly stated I misunderstood his question then answered it. Instead of just reposting saying I must have misunderstood his question he flames me and insults my intelligence. Maybe someone should read posts? :x

High-five on calling someone dumb while telling him to no call people dumb. :roll: Either way, that guy keeps dodging his question like some kind of a pro polititian First of all he didn't say not to call people dumb. Second of all I wasn't dodging the question I clearly stated I misunderstood his question then answered it. Instead of just reposting saying I must have misunderstood his question he flames me and insults my intelligence.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:12 pm I've made around 60M Staking since I got hacked, and then I had 220M Cash, and two Party Hats, Red and White. Roughly 500M? Which I made from staking. Thanks. okie dokie...maybe with your third response you can perhaps find enough spare intelligence laying around to properly answer this question, since i obviously have to further break it down for you becuase you have still yet to answer it. I see that you have had som luck in the duel ring and have made some money, yes i do see that, youknow how i see it? Becuase i actually read that the first time you posted it back on page one which is why i asked about it this second time on page 5 becuase you never answered me So for simple and obviously quite unintelligent people like yourself.... WILL YOU STILL CONTINUE TO KEEP LURERING PEOPLE???? I see. I misunderstood your question. Most likely not. But instead of insulting my intelligence you could have just reposted telling me I misunderstood your question which was obvious.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:12 pm I've made around 60M Staking since I got hacked, and then I had 220M Cash, and two Party Hats, Red and White. Roughly 500M? Which I made from staking. Thanks.

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed. I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back. That was more of a post to get him to be more direct with his opinion. And again. As I've said to you what? Four times? They pretty much lure themselves. I don't force anyone into the Wilderness. The only way I can enjoy the game is to prey off of stupid people? That's only one of the many things I do to enjoy the game. I play Castle Wars, a lot. I PK and Stake, a lot. I train my skills constantly I do multiple Quests, I literaully do nothing but stand in Edgeville bank and talk to my friends and the usual people who are there. And Wakka, I'm aware you hate me for my views so stop posting that your wasting your breath. Yes wakka there really is no need for anyone here to continue wasting their time with this topic, afterall whats the point if rose, wont even take the time to read a post muchless reply with logic. Some People on here like free easy posts to up there post count and rose is obviously this kind of person :roll: I mean if this wasnt the case then maybe he she it whatever would read peoples posts and reply accordingly :roll: Muchless reply with logic? You have to be kidding me! I'm waiting for someone to say something which I haven't repeated 4-5 Times. Yes. I have nothing more to do with my life then hope to gain Post Count on a forum for a game.

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking. I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing. I was not talking about you. The person being lured does not expect that, and therefore will not take food, armour, or weapons like a PKer or Staker would and like you obviously do because a normal trade does not require body armour. As for the part about not being able to recognize a lure, people do not want to have to spend their time watching for someone trying to take their money instead of trading peacefully and continuing the way they have been. You actually believe I look for people trying to lure me? I DO train my skills I DO PK, I DO quests, I DO stake. I have much better things to do then wait for someone to attempt to lure me. My point was all it requires is basic common sense. You know, the kind that most 10 Year Olds have. You seem to have again misunderstood me. If you go on the trade boards looking for something, and somebody offers it for less than everybody else, you as a lurer may see it as a lure or a scam, but most people would see a good deal, not somebody trying to cheat them out of their money. You may point out that everybody knows the old saying "If it's too good to be true, it probably is", but a lurer could "offer" an item for 100gp less and it would still be the lowest offer and the cheapest way to get the item. If the lurer is in edgeville, it would only take a little "I need to do something else first" along with the person's fear that they may lose a good trade to get them into the wilderness. Even when players go into the wilderness, they probably would still trust that the lurer has good intentions. One other thing is that the wilderness sign only comes up once every login (as far as I know), so people might not even know that they are near the Wilderness. If the price is drastically lower(e.g selling something multiple millions under-priced) I would be suspicious. Most people would be. They tell me to go to Varrock or Edgeville? Sure! But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of it being a lure until they insisted I come to a place I know is a for-sure lure.

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed. I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back. That was more of a post to get him to be more direct with his opinion. And again. As I've said to you what? Four times? They pretty much lure themselves. I don't force anyone into the Wilderness. The only way I can enjoy the game is to prey off of stupid people? That's only one of the many things I do to enjoy the game. I play Castle Wars, a lot. I PK and Stake, a lot. I train my skills constantly I do multiple Quests, I literaully do nothing but stand in Edgeville bank and talk to my friends and the usual people who are there. And Wakka, I'm aware you hate me for my views so stop posting that your wasting your breath.

Read the first page buddy. I said don't post this crap only constructive posts. And the Jojo lure is still unbannable since your not forcing anyone into the wild.

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking. I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing. I was not talking about you. The person being lured does not expect that, and therefore will not take food, armour, or weapons like a PKer or Staker would and like you obviously do because a normal trade does not require body armour. As for the part about not being able to recognize a lure, people do not want to have to spend their time watching for someone trying to take their money instead of trading peacefully and continuing the way they have been. You actually believe I look for people trying to lure me? I DO train my skills I DO PK, I DO quests, I DO stake. I have much better things to do then wait for someone to attempt to lure me. My point was all it requires is basic common sense. You know, the kind that most 10 Year Olds have.

(quote taken from wikipedia) Except the main difference is that luerers have the ability to pull someone into the wild by trading and then running in. JaGex could just make it so if someone traded you and ran into the wilderness, and if you hit accept trade request it would not force you into the wilderness because you didn't in any way intend go into the wilderness, you just wanted to trade. Well maybe it would solve that type of luring That hasn't worked for years.

Keywords: Going to a bank is a perfectly safe practice. Following someone to an unspecified location isn't. So if I say meet me at the Varrock bar just before the wild in the North-East corner I'm fine.

Mmm....I don't think you quite understood me. And it doesn't have to be by a conventional lure; I said anywhere against your better judgment. It's obviously in your better judgment to avoid the Wilderness and those lure tactics, but what about slayer monster lure tactics (the most of which being at Abberants)? If you didn't know any better (and I'm not saying you don't), you would be forced there against your better judgment. Same principle applies to lures. Reread my first post and I hope that you can get the point that I was going for. I'm not concerned with luring someone to monsters. I'm completely for Wild Luring because you get a warning, and the most popular and succesful lure doesn't force them into the wild.

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking. I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing.

Do you always trust complete strangers? First of all, let me tell you that a lure is still a lure. Doesn't matter whether or not they are being drawn into the wilderness, they're being drawn somewhere against their better judgment. I want you to justify how that could possibly ever be fair -- would you like it if you were drawn to a certain location against your better judgment and then have your hard-earned RS items taken away? (So what if they're pixels? They earned them, dammit.) Now onto this point of trusting complete strangers -- yes, there is a mutual trust between two people when a trade is conducted. This entails that each party will uphold their ends of the agreed trade parameters (price, item, etc). By luring someone into the Wilderness you have indeed violated that trust. I think you've shot yourself in the foot now -- anything beyond this means that you're only trying to ignore the obvious. Lure is lure. Doesn't matter if you drop something in the wild in an attempt to bring them out, doesn't matter if they're drawn in by some bug, doesn't matter if they are left in the desert to die. It is not in the spirit of the game, it should not be permitted to continue, and no one should defend any variation thereof. So by your logic telling my friend to come to the bank I'm luring him. And of course I wouldn't like me losing my RS items but then again I won't be killed by a lurer because I'm not stupid enough to fall for that.

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

Do you always trust complete strangers? I never said that.

No, the lure tactic preys on those who are not smart enough to use common sense. All the lurer does is bring the person to the spot. The victim does the rest on their own. So just because they don't know any better makes it okay? No, it does not. Besides, who wouldn't run up to an item that they thought had value? It's like dangling a bag full of candy in front of a baby, then taking it from them (and punishing them for their negligence!). Never once said because the don't know any better it's okay. The fact is they are given a warning and they should listen to it. Second of all they are not babies. It's more like dangling poisonous candy in front of a teenager telling them it's poisonous Don't bother posting here again your posts are idiotic and pointless. The Jojo lure. The lure that they drop money in the wild and then the victim runs up to take it, then they are barraged to death, is not illegal. We are not forcing anyone into the wild. It's that simple. And no one can prove we aren't going to drop other items. It's not possible. A lure is a lure. There's no polishing it or bending the rules around it; it is an offense. Trust me what I say that there will be ways to figure those types of lures out, and justice will be done on those greedy and unscrupulous players that take advantage of it. A lure is strictly forcing someone into the wild. As long as we are not forcing anyone we are not breaking any rules.

Don't bother posting here again your posts are idiotic and pointless. The Jojo lure. The lure that they drop money in the wild and then the victim runs up to take it, then they are barraged to death, is not illegal. We are not forcing anyone into the wild. It's that simple. And no one can prove we aren't going to drop other items. It's not possible.

Doubt a true lurer would ever be lured. I've never been lured. Ever. In fact as I said before, I have killed people trying to lure me, I've actually PK'd Mage Books, Master Wands, and Fury's from their killers.

:roll: Shut the hell up and quit whining, don't fall for luring and it isn't a problem.. I've never fallen for a luring scam before. And even if I didn't fall for it, there's probably someone else that will. If you can't see that this is a positive move for restoring the community, then you're the one that needs to stop crying. It's making your vision all blurry. That's just it! It's not a positive move for restoring the community! RuneScape's community was destroyed a long, long time ago. When they advertised it for little kids! Yes. I started playing this game when I was extremely young. But I was never a stubborn brat like 70-80% of RuneScape's community now is.

I'm not debating them to change it back. I'm fine with it now being against the rules. But I'm still for luring and you can still lure without it being bannable although you most likely will be banned.

:roll: Shut the hell up and quit whining, don't fall for luring and it isn't a problem.. I dissagree. I don't deserve anything. It's not if I'm cunning enough. It's if they are stupid enough.

No, the lure tactic preys on those who are not smart enough to use common sense. All the lurer does is bring the person to the spot. The victim does the rest on their own.