I do dharok, then karil, then ahrim (no prayer pots used, if it runs out, it runs out.) Verac, Torag, and Guthan can be done easily without prayer, learn the sidestep. OK I got the sidestep working, do you use it for healing or safing? Also you must use prayer on Dharok and Karils in the tunnel right? Thanks for all your help, many thanks :thumbsup: