Not all p2ps were f2ps. I was and i think f2ps should get a few updates a year but i have 2 friends who signed up to be a member rite after they made an account. Also, dont say jagex cant attract ppl, when i started 30k peeps was alot...now like 200k play at once. True say john, lots of people have been hooked to runescape, although runescape loses players often, many others join. i think jagex should actually update the f2p's not with a new stat, but with some extra features, maybe a couple monsters (rock crabs might be nice?). they should also add a dungeon type thing so that karmaja and other hot training spots don't get too crouded and people don't give up on the game. But hey, thats just my opinion :XD: