Dire_Wolf

Fight Cave is easy as it is. Those who find it hard is players who don't prepare first.

Slayer helm>Dwarven helm>Helm of neizinot Karil's top>Black d hide body Karil's leather skirt>Black d hide chaps Dragon boots Amulet of fury>Glory Barrow gloves Fire cape>Trimmed skillcape (If praying)>God cape (If not praying) Berserker ring>Explorer ring>Ring of life>Seers ring>Beacon ring>Ring of wealth Zamorak spear/Tzhaar-ket-em w/Rune defender>Saradomin sword>Godsword> If you do not have Rune defender, DFS could be good too but Rune defender is recommended. Don't use Berserker necklace, you will loose alot accuracy and defense. The defense and accuracy loss is not worth the damage hit.

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You didn't get lucky. There's nothing more to it than that :wall: According to ElvargII the ROW makes you get a better rare (Hilt instead of shard). So there i got 5 rares, and all of them were not better ones. So let's look at it. I got 5 chances to get a better rare and all of them was the less better rares. If that's the case, then what's point with ROW then... You had a higher chance to get a better rare. You didn't get lucky, so you didn't. As I said before, the ROW does help but its impossible to test by how much it helps so it's up to you to decide whether it's worth it or not. In other words...we need more info from Jagex. And i know ROW works, but i don't know how well and where and on what. All i can do is do a guess

You didn't get lucky. There's nothing more to it than that :wall: According to ElvargII the ROW makes you get a better rare (Hilt instead of shard). So there i got 5 rares, and all of them were not better ones. So let's look at it. I got 5 chances to get a better rare and all of them was the less better rares. If that's the case, then what's point with ROW then...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The ROW doesn't increase the chance of getting a rare drop directly; if you end up getting a rare drop, the ROW makes it more likely to be a better one (to use a previous example, you are more likely to get a Visage than a Dragon Skirt). I killed 303 Bandos boss with ROW, and ended up with 3 shards and 2 boots. I don't understand. How is it that Shards and boots are lowest valued drop (The bad ones) and yet with 303 kills and Ring of wealth equipped i did not get a valueable one such as Chestplate,tasset or hilt. Now 5 items that's not considered the better rares. 5 chances to get a better rare, yet all 5 time i did not get them...

I do use it. I am just simply saying i wish the numbers involving ROW was laid out so we know how it works fully. Rather going on assuming it. It's confusing like i said, so i don't know what to say.

And also on KB it says that it increases chance of a rare drop and rare drop was defined as being something they don't drop to often. Hilt drop rates are very high , being somewhere around 1 275 at Saradomin boss, 1 in 375 at Armadyl etc.. How can you say ring of wealth increases the chance of a valuable rare? The bosses are incredible hard to kill. And KB says items that they don't seldom drop, and my interpretation of it is items such as dragon boots, Mystic bottom, etc As for that Guthix information page, it's kinda talking in mystery. Jagex has not CLEARLY said how ROW works. They talk in a way that it makes you confused what they mean. Whips are rare at abyssal demons right? 1 in 400. But you're saying armadyl hilt drop rate is pretty high, yet 1 in 375? They are rare drops, and Jagex would be sure to make it for you to have a better chance at getting these items while wearing the ring. Otherwise it would just be useless, which isn't the way Jagex made it. I guess what I'm trying to say is other monsters' wheels are probably designed for the expensive and useful items, like whips and hilts and the like, to be made easier to get while wearing the ring. Yes i understand but how can KNOW what drop rate is RARE? It's all very confusing. Here's why. Ring of wealth at Spiritual warrirors is great (They drop rune hally,long, kite often) ...so the ring increases the chance. But at a Abyssal demon a Rune kite supposedly the ROW makes drop more at Spiritual warriors, is almost never dropped. So i don't get it.

And also on KB it says that it increases chance of a rare drop and rare drop was defined as being something they don't drop to often. Hilt drop rates are very high , being somewhere around 1 275 at Saradomin boss, 1 in 375 at Armadyl etc.. How can you say ring of wealth increases the chance of a valuable rare? The bosses are incredible hard to kill. And KB says items that they don't seldom drop, and my interpretation of it is items such as dragon boots, Mystic bottom, etc As for that Guthix information page, it's kinda talking in mystery. Jagex has not CLEARLY said how ROW works. They talk in a way that it makes you confused what they mean.

That's strange as i did a test of it, but i will test again then.

There are things in the game players are unsure about and even when looking at Knowledgebase for information there is still not a answer to the questions. Here are some i have come across of, they are mainly items: Ring of wealth How does it work, shouldn't Jagex be specific about it? Void set+Salve amulet Do they stack? I have tested it and i do not find them stacking. Dragon slayer gloves and Black mask/Slayer helm Do they stack? Drop rates Abyssal whip is 1 in 400 (If i am wrong ignore it, it's not important), yet a Rune kite at Abyssal demons is even rarer! The drop rate is somewhere between 1 in 500 to 1 in 1500. That's crazy many kills for a Rune kite! Something like that makes us all confused about what ring of wealth will affect. When i check Knowledgebase all i get is confusing answers and it pretty much pisses me off. I hate that i have to use a ring that is supposedly give me more wealth when it's hard to say where it is good at and where it is not. I have a idea of what monsters it is good on, but i can't say for sure specific on what items. I hope that Tip.it will ask for more information from Jagex about things us in this community are unsure about. P.S If you have something that your confused about and Jagex's Knowledgebase does not give you answers to, then add it to your post and i will add it to list.

That we wouldn't know since we don't know how the combat formula works. Void and salve does stack, since salve = increase in attack/str, while void = increase in accuracy/max hit. So yeah glove + mask don't stack. If Void+Salve stacks then how come the max hit is not over 50 easily? Because i have done salve+void, and salve without void and theres no stacking from my view. Since void is increase in max damage, it should be higher when equipping a salve. Strength level = Higher max hit Increase in damage = Higher max hit Strength bonus = Higher max hit In this case Strength level+Increase in damage...but if they stacked i should hit 50+ easy both together.

Agreed, I personally always use the chaos tunnels because it is always empty, I make decent cash with good crimson charm drops and means I get to use combat familiars which I find fun :) I hope the creator of the thread appreciates all this advice :P It will help him :thumbup:

That's where being smart comes in. Half of the exp is given for doing the most damage and half of it is given for the kill. Let your cannon do the hard work and focus on getting the killing hit. Either way, even though there are other people taking some of your kills, the lighthouse is still more exp/hour. Well i will take your word on it. Because you have good points. But one thing i am sure of... Lighthouse is not the best spot! for Cash,Exp and Charms all in 1! :thumbup: That's CT! :) But i might do Lighthouse for EXP

If you place a cannon at Lighthouse it takes over 70% of the monsters, and it's spot known to be crowded. So that would lead to alot EXP being divided.

Still isn't 9.9 attack levels better than +12 attack bonus?

A fast task does not mean good exp... Yes you can use combat familiar at Lighthouse, i forgot that but i am pretty sure many players use healing ones. But i'll say it again a fast task is not necessary fast EXP! Also a cannon at Lighthouse - there is no moving away (It hits all monsters)

Thats because you get a bigger bonus to attack with barrow gloves (+12). You only get, AT MOST, +9.9 attack with dragon slayer gloves. I am supposedly to get +13 ATTACK levels with Dragon slayer gloves. How is +12 attack bonus (Barrow) better than +13 attack levels (Dragon slayer gloves)..??

THE BEST EXP - WHICH ONE?! LET THE DEBATE START! Knowledge base: What happens if another player is attacking the same NPC as me? Will I still get Slayer experience? If two people are killing the same monster in multiway combat, both players will get the kill, but the experience will be halved. The player that does the most damage to the NPC will have the right to pick up the dropped items first. Both the person who dealt the killing blow and the person who did the most damage will be counted as the slayer for the purposes of their kill counts (If you did both these things you will only count as having killed the creature once, though). The Slayer experience will be split evenly between the two players. OK with that said let's go to the Dagannoths Chaos Tunnels Level 88 with 85 HP. Advantage: - Combat familiar can be used - No competition at all and very often you have over 5 dagannoths waiting to die. - Guaranteed great cash total after each trip (Over 100K) - As great Crimson charms as Dust devils - Monsters instantly attack you and many of them around to attack if they were not to be aggressive. - Small space making monsters notice you Top drops: Casket, Fremenik items, Farseer/Archer/Warrior/Berserker helm, Crimson charm Disadvantage: - No cannon - High defense to ranged (But i think 1 of 10 players would do range) Lighthouse Level 74/92 with 70/120 HP. Advantage: - Cannon - Can be ranged and meleed - Snap seed is dropped - Aggressive Disadvantage: - Big space so they move and at times don't pay attention to you - Crowded spot and many players, so Cannoning leads to EXP being shared. So what's the point with Cannon then if your using it for EXP? - Alot bad drops - Gold and Green charms dropped mostly I believe the CT Dagannoths wins because: 1) I have not seen 1 single player over my 20+ tasks. So no exp would be divided and all Daggies would be mine:D 2) Very small space, 1 dagannoths death is anothers. Instantly i will have one to kill after 1 dieing.

How is Lighthouse Dagannoths fast slayer exp when other slayers hit your kills and that can lead to slayer exp being divided..? NO. CT Dagannoths are rangers, and i am pretty sure they have very high range def. If they don't then i am shocked. At the lighthouse you can use a cannon which means that you can do your tasks in half the time that you could do them at the chaos tunnels. And how is that better exp? CT has very weak melee defence and you can use a familiar with special scrolls (Steel titan for me...) Cannon+You+Other players - EXP being divided now and then... So no they are not better exp, better points but so what? It's about EXP. Points>Cash>Cannon>Cash used. As a matter of fact i can do a Dagannoth task between 10-20mins at CT.

How is Lighthouse Dagannoths fast slayer exp when other slayers hit your kills and that can lead to slayer exp being divided..? NO. CT Dagannoths are rangers, and i am pretty sure they have very high range def. If they don't then i am shocked.

I assumed it stacks with Slayer helm. Super attack potion+Slayer helm+Dragon slayer gloves = Gives me attack level 147. And when i tested this i hit tons 0s at Irons. Believe me i do not do that with Barrow gloves, so my conclusion is that it does not stack..

Apparently it is said they do stack. Jagex says it gives you the boost on slayer tasks, so i am wondering...if you can choose Slayer helm/Mask (15% Str+Att boost) , why choose a 10% ATT Glove boost... Incorrect. Salve amulet + void melee stacks. Your best bet would be asking JaGEx. No they don't stack otherwise i would hit over 50+ damage very often and i do not. I would ask Jagex but they are so darn hard to get a answer from ... TIP.IT QUATO (Item database): When wielded during a dragon slaying task, these gloves will provide a +10% attack bonus and +15% exp for each dragon killed. Works with Black mask. RUNESCAPE KB (They don't state it stacks or don't): Dragon slayer gloves are an excellent tool for adventurers embarking on Slayer assignments to kill dragons. While wearing these gloves, you will receive 15% more Slayer experience for each dragon you kill and +10% to your Attack against dragons on a Slayer task. They will crumble to dust after killing 1,000 dragons. You need a Slayer level of 70 to wear dragon slayer gloves.

OK, let's start. Lighthouse Dagannoths (Weakest of them all) In this dungeon is the weakest dagannoths but it's multi. But if you get more than 2-3 of them attacking you the damage adds up. They drop alot Gold and Green charms and rarest drop of em is Snapseed (But almost every other monster has Snap seed as possible drop). Cannoning them is from my view stupid, because the Slayer exp is divided if other slayers attack the dagannoth your cannon/you are killing. Most of their drops are kinda stupid because it's items that's not something you would pick up. But they do drop raw lobsters that can be used with swallow scrolls (Bunyip). So that's a source of healing. Method of killing: Defensive armor with a healing source (Bunyip/Food) Chaos Tunnels/Waterbirth (The True Ones) Level 88 Dagannoth (Ranger dagannoths) These are only ones at Chaos tunnels, but also is at Waterbirth as well. They are very weak to melee. Very great spot is Chaos Tunnels. As through Waterbirth you have to go through gate (requires two players). Useful drops: Casket (Coins/Gems, Half keys!), Farseer/Archer/Warrior/Berserker helm. Fremenik shield, sword and helm (Non tradeable but great alching). Gives as much Crimson charms as Dust devils. Other drops that's worth picking up for now depending on price: Cicular hide (24K), Spined boots (1.2k-2K), Every trip i take to CT Dagannoths i earned over 100K Guaranteed! Method: Use prayer gear and kill ahead. Also a combat familiar Level 90 Warrior Dagannoth - Waterbirth These have high def as hell and hit 10+ very often. They do however drop usual drops. Such as law and nats, and fremrik items and dagannoth hides! They also drop alot crimson, but they have higher defence than ranger dagannoths. They can be found once you enter waterbirth cave. Ring of wealth or not? Items that's rare is items that drops now and then. Example of rare items: Mystic top/bottom/gloves/boots, Rune med helm Rune full helm, Rune 2h sword, Rune scimitar, Leaf-bladed sword, Rune dagger, Dragon boots If i say the drop rate for a rare item i'd say between 1 in 125. Jagex has a messed up system for rate items and here's why. Abyssal whip is from my view not a rare item as it drops after over 300+ kills. But however, Abyssal whip a 1.5M item drops in such drop rate...but a rune kite (45K+) drops 1 in 2000!!!! Rune kite is a rare drop...just the drop rate Jagex has set for them is arguable wrong. So i would say use Ring of wealth at CT Dagannoths. At Lighthouse use Warrior ring (+4 slash attack and def) or Berserker ring (+4 strength and crush defence bonus). Tasks you can use Warrior/Berserker ring instead of ROW: Bloodvelds: Rune med helm is 12K and only good thing they drop, not worth using ROW Kalphite soldiers: They drop rune items very very rare. So i doubt ROW Will have a effect. Dagannoth at Lighthouse (Not that i go there): Snap seed is only rare thing and i dont know if it's right to use ROW there.. Baby Black Dragons (Black Dragon Task) They drop only Baby bones Suqahs: They don't drop anything great... Waterfiends: They do not drop so many great rare items. Rune med, waterbattlestaff and blue d hide vambs, they are nothing that great. Hellhounds: Clue is only they drop Greater demons: Like i said, many items that is supposed to be rare is not considered rare to Jagex. There's quite alot few rare items Greaters drop and most of em have bad drop rate. The only item that drops mostly is rune full helm, med helm and rest is very rare. VIDEO! Dagannoth - Chaos Tunnels Video - CLICKY!

Dragon slayer gloves does not stack with Slayer helmet/Black mask. The EXP Boost of 15% might be correct but i hit alot 0s with the gloves at Iron dragons and usually i do not hit that many 0s. So with attack level supposely be over level 140 (Mask+Gloves) i still hit quite alot 0s. So my conclusion, it does not stack. Am i correct or am i wrong?