Dire_Wolf

Saradomin sword, as everyone knows is a Icyene blade with the icon of Saradomin on the hilt. The Elite Black Knight's looks very similar just that it is not exact similarity. We know Icyene race is extinct, but i read in Runescape wiki that Drakan the powerful vampire lord might slaved some of them and turned them into Vyrewatch or something. Correct me if i am wrong though. So i am curious what you think, is the swords similarity just coincidence? My thoughts but i do not have much proof to back this up, but just a small hunch is that those swords Elite Black Knights are using may be Icyene blades. Because from what i have observed, there is ONE Icyene and that one is serving Saradomin. So i don't know if it's a fact but it does not look like ALL Icyenes are serving Saradomin. So their blades might not have a Saradomin icon on the hilt. After all, Zilyana is using Saradomin's Sword. That's just my thought. Saradomin Sword Elite Black Knight's Sword

My question is: If you melee Demons, will it randomly use ranged, melee and magic or.... will it ONLY use 2 combat attacks`?

I agree. The only drop that's worth it: is Dragon claws, all rest is stupid items i don't give darn if i get. Now they made it harder, and also i am unsure if Dragon claws drop rate is the same or if it has become UBER RARE.

Helm: Verac>Torag>Guthan>Helm of Neitzinot Quiver: Broad bolts on waves, Diamond e on Jad/ Amulet: Fury>Glory Shield: Blessed Spirit shield vs Dragonfire shield>Spirit shield>Granite/Obsidian>Unholy book if your very good at caves

Toast647 has been a participant since 2008-01-26 (11 months ago), and in that time has typed 8,563,960 keys, clicked 5,048,938 times and moved his or her mouse for 227.8 miles. That means nothing. I'm really surprised this thread is still going. You ARE rate demanding and 1k kills is honestly not hard. 1K is not hard? Then go and kill 1K since it's easy and report back... It's not "I don't wanna waste my time", it's this: You ARE rate demanding and 1k kills is honestly not hard. Now if you can't do then it's not easy. As for those mouse statistic, is that for prayer or farming? Oh and i got 80-99 with 62K+ Clicks...so i don't know what those statistics are supposed to tell me other than: Farming or Prayer.

I understand what's done wrong here and don't mean to be all fuzzy about it but if i was in charge of website or the guide i would fix this little detail: 1: Concept Development Items Required: Three papyrus, one ball of wool, one sack of potatoes (10), one unlit candle Items Suggested: 10 silk, eight empty sacks Talk to Auguste, who will tell you he wishes to leave Entrana by means of a hot air balloon. After a bit of discussion, he will send you out to collect items for his experimentation: three sheets of papyrus, one ball of wool, one full sack of potatoes, and one unlit candle. 2: Prototyping Items Required: Three papyrus, one ball of wool, one sack of potatoes (10), one unlit candle Items Suggested: 10 silk, eight empty sacks Take the requested items to Auguste and he will tell you to construct an origami balloon. To do this, use your ball of wool on a papyrus sheet, then on your unlit candle. Give this to Auguste and you will get a cutscene where you release the origami balloon, which flies, then burns. Give him your remaining supplies for a second test. This one will fly steadily until a "flash mob" (a mob of angry peasants) destroys it. Hope it helps.

Aha kk, well i am not exactly paying so great attention. Just read fast through :lol:

Oh sorry then dude, didn't see it :wall: OK 9/10. You did 200 kills, and i know based on what i have read from friends demons are tough. You did well. To get 10/10 i would say 2 claws :lol:

So you go from a discussion to a argument? Then we are done. :mrgreen:

Well prayer potions and food is basically shame thing because they both are there to keep you alive. As for wraiths there is only 1 of them, where at Skeletal there is many around to kill. So when i kill a Tormented wraith, i will have to wait (even at big worlds) for next to appear and that makes me loose prayer points. So prayer points, has same purpose as food. Now Skeletals you don't have to wait. As for skeletal, i am sure with a bunyip/unicorn+good inventory and equipment you can kill wywverns easily. (You can't use attack familiars at wraith to speed up). But i will get to the point now, if what i did was easy you would have done it. But it's not easy, because you said it yourself: camp a monster that would net me minimal profit and experience. Experience: You get more the better weapon you have, and i used black scimitar so that give bad experience. On top of it you can measure the hardness of a monster based on experience you get, and you said it yourself that tormented wraith is minimal experience. Profit: It takes over 600+kills to have a chance of elxir (8.7m item), and that's not easy. Now abyssal demons are not exactly hard to deal with for cash+experience. Their whip drop rate is 1/300 or somewhere close it... But what if it was 1/1000? Then it would be "Hard". So from where i stand what i did is not easy, so if you say it is then your wrong. Because it don't give great experience, neither does it give great profit fast. But if it was easy, you would have been there and earn plenty cash and also exp.. If it was easy.. you would have camped for a elixir drop. But it's not, and that's the reason you don't waste your time on "Minimal experience and profit".

You could tell more, about many you killed for example (Would make it easier to rate). But anyhow, well done and i give you: 7/10. Dcing is bad and that you get +1 rate extra from my view. The claw is great, but as i said i don't know many you killed so hard to say what rate.

OK, let me compare the monster to some slayer ones. I am trying and it ain't 100% accurate comparison: - Abyssal demons - Skeletal wyverns These two seemed proper. They aren't hard at all but the time spent to kill them is not much more or less than Tormented Wraith. Also i "Camped", so it's not exactly fun thing... So this is it: my 972 kills is same as 972 skeletal wyvern or abyssal demon kills. The slayer monsters have both high defense. Tormented don't have high defense but with a black scimitar it's not exactly good and accurate damages. So, can you honestly camp at Skeletal wyverns and kill 972 of them without pausing? (And also take drop logs)

So you have killed as many or more then? :shock:

That's ok. But you if and when you rate something you don't find appealing you should try to rate it for the achievement it is and not for what it is not. But i agree, Tormented wraiths is not hard. But i disagree with it the 972 kills being easy, so don't see why you couldn't find that achievement appealing enough. But if you don't then you shouldn't rate something and compare it with something else, just rate it for what it is as i said. I love combat too, i don't find Tormented much appealing (When i did kills it was all a determination goal) but still 972 kill is appealing and nice specially with logs documented. But i am not saying your rate is bad to me, just saying that you should not compare my achievement with other achievements as that won't work well. But a question, why do you think 972 kills of Tormented wraith is easy?

Jesus, that's a lot of clicks. I can see how that would be extremely difficult to do. You must be really proud of yourself to have clicked a mouse so many times! :) You're absolutely right. Farming is way too easy. You just buy a lot of seeds, do a run every few hours maybe, and wait... six... months... That's OK if you don't see the point in having 99 Slayer, but that doesn't make it any less difficult. Much more difficult, in fact, than killing 900~ Wraiths. Your comparing my Tormented wraith kill achievement with 99 skill and cape achievements? That's not fair. If it is, then here's what i can do to make 99 farm+slayer+rc not "great". Simply compare them to getting 99 in all skills... You understand my point? You can't go on comparing my achievement to a other one that's completely different. Sure you can compare it to a monster that is as hard as one i have killed, but comparing it to 99 slayer, farm or rc don't make sense. As TIF item database comparison says: There is no point comparing stats of a boot to a shields... This is what you are doing: Comparing my monster kill achievement with a level achievement. I don't know about you, but i don't compare achievements like that.

Just a note; I don't know how you view the bolded parts, but they look pretty damn arrogant to me, you're telling him his rate is below YOUR standards, not even considering how others may view the achievement. Also, saying he can't rate well enough is, yet again, arrogant and prudish, he rated what he felt it was worth, and in case you didn't notice, most people also rated 7/10 or lower, and, being honest, its the highest rate I've seen the kid post in a topic which isn't his or his friends. Take the 7/10 and be happy, its better then most of the trash rates people get here now. How am i arrogant for asking someone to comment their rate? Exactly. I don't think that killing 900~ wraiths is worth more than a 5/10. As you said, it's what I think it's worth. 99 Prayer is buyable. It's very cool, yes, but I'm much more impressed by a Slayer cape. It's all opinion, really. I did over 62,000 controlled clicks for 99 prayer. As for farming can't be bough? lol... Farming is very easy. You can plant tree+fruit seed and come back and if you want it to go faster you can do herbs,alloments, bushes and other plants. As for Slayer, it takes time but to be honest it's no point in "99 slayer" if you have 90. The black cape isn't that great.

As i read, this line (At part where you must make poison): *Get a bucket. Then go to the kebab seller and ask for his hot sauce. Use the red hot sauce on the camel trough to get the camel to drop some dung. Use the bucket on it to pick it up. (The game won't let you pick up the wrong kind of dung, with or without the bucket - if this happens, just use the red hot sauce on the trough again.) I asked myself "What camel trough" ? I went to wild camels and did not find what i looked for. Trough is english word i bet alot are familiar with and not. So this little detail would be handy from my view to add to the guide. *Get a bucket. Then go to the kebab seller and ask for his hot sauce. Use the red hot sauce on the camel trough at Camel shop to get the camel to drop some dung. Use the bucket on it to pick it up. (The game won't let you pick up the wrong kind of dung, with or without the bucket - if this happens, just use the red hot sauce on the trough again.)

I got called arrogant,rate demanding+desperate. And there is plenty of posters who keep bashing me for asking some raters to comment their rate. I don't know about you, but they seem all braindead. It's like my question about the rate were accepted like this: "Hey everyone, i am SirHemen and i am not happy with 7/10" ...and people keep taking it that way.

Let's see... I asked SKully_SC+some others to comment as to why i got 7/10 because of curiosity and all of sudden i am "bashing" people? Then after that i get called arrogant, and rate desperate then i had enough and then i started bashing people for being hard headed about a question (Me asking Skully_sc+Rest to comment the 7/10 rate again because i was curious...) The kills i did it for the fun of it and to see if i was up to the test of 1,000 kills (My plan was to stop if i got elixir though). As for the monster not being difficult, i agree he's very easy: But i don't agree is that killing 900+ is not easy. So if you haven't done it yourself then there's not need to go further there. Don't tell me "Others have killed 5K+" if you don't have evidence to back it up, then your words are just meaningless. Of course i am not arrogant, i know there is players who have killed tons of them. But we are talking about me+you, and common players who don't go there often and i have yet to see 1 player show any evidence/proof that he or she has killed 3K+. As for rates: i told you i asked them just to comment as to why i got 7/10. How many times must i say that? If you can read to the point to where i ask that question then you darn well should read the whole thread ok? If not then you can keep quiet about what you say. Oh as for achievements: I take this as a good achievement. I was determinded and it paid off, i didn't back off, didn't get distracted and said "I started this lousy thing and i am gonna end it". Which i did, and i got 8.7m richer. I could get even more richer at GWD but this is just some goal i just set right there and then and i did not want to stop until i was done. Level achievements? I got 99 Strength,attack,def,hp and prayer and 93 magic and 92 ranged + 89 summon. So i know what great achievements are. But let me tell you this, that it's not what people believe is a great achievement but what you think is. In otherwords, if i liked Fletching i would love Fletch cape no matter how easy it is! So it's stupid to say "Because slayer or Farming or RC cape is harder they are great achievements", because facts is... if a skill is enjoyable and fun despite how easy it is: it's STILL A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT. P.S: I noticed you didn't bring up 99 prayer on that "Great achievment" list of yours? Wonder why...

Cool by me. :thumbup: And thanks for rate lol, i feel somehow odd after all arguing with alot others. Was not worth it :? As for tormented it took me 20+ prayer points per wraith (Counting time on death, til respawn). You can use only black scimitar as weapon so it stinks :roll: But i did it to test my determination. I can earn tons cash easier, but at the time i needed a easy thing to do (I also disconnected and lagg alot, one of reason i killed them).. So i decided to do 1K But i got elixir at 940 so i stopped at 972

That's how i would rate it based on the factors: - The monster - The difficulty - The condition/Situation So on.. It was my way of rating my achievement and i believe it's right rate table but i never said that everyone was supposed to rate based on the table. Listen Gremmy, i have never demanded a rate or said i cared so much about a rate. i ONLY asked why i got the rate 7/10 and asked if Skully_SC+rest could comment the rate. Why is that hard to get?

I don't like posting something just to get flammed or spammed or called something i am not. So i have learned, never post on TIF. As for me being immature, i don't get how i am immature if i just ask Skully_SC for commenting the rate... As for me saying trash to him? He's encouraging trash talk in the thread. If i am wrong, prove it and i will apologies to him. And tell me: where have i said that i cared about a rating? How immature can you be if you think that asking a rater to comment their rate is something bad? I don't get you...

Your full of [cabbage] that i can't be bothered to tell you why :lol:

Does it matter if i ask for comments as for why i got the rate? It's not a bad thing...or is it all of sudden? And i have not said it's a bad thing, so give me a break making me look like i have said a low rate is a bad rate. I am tired of explaining it.

That's cool Xlippsx. I don't mind the rate at all, but just when i asked for comments about why you+Skullysc+ some otehrs rated 7/10 i got marked as demanding arrogant person... So that's why i am so pissed off... Because there's [developmentally delayed]s that can't never stop being immature..