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I'm not arguing against it. I support that viewpoint. You're actually repeating what I already wrote, which is alright since I made quite a lot of posts in these last few pages and you might have missed some. I never used the word "atheist." I use the word "non-believer," which refers to anyone who is not a Christian. Yup. Yeah, pretty much. But you got one part of that wrong. It's not so that they savor life more, but so that they can savor Him more. Well, that makes all the billions and billions of people throughout history who have died not beleiving, or believing in something else alright then. As long as these chosen few can savour God better, talk about selfishness? Your words, not mine. ;)

Thanks for the update.

The Christian God therefore sacrifices the majority of people so that a chosen few may spend eternity with him in heaven on purpose? I thought the sacrifices ended with Jesus Christ? According to you, an atheist is predetermined to be atheist to create an "enviroment" so that faith can come about for these pre-chosen minority. How does someone being atheist create an enviroment for someone else to find faith, surley it would lead to the opposite? http://www.allaboutgod.com/faq/one-more-time.htm The answer is in that link. Just replace "Free Will" with "Predestination" Yeah, pretty much. But you got one part of that wrong. It's not so that they savor life more, but so that they can savor Him more.

Read before posting. God, the omnipotent creator, made Adam's future decision to take the fruit when he created Adam.

FEMALE ALERT PERVERT ALERT At least I can pee while standing. Pwned.

the answer on this is that god created us with free will... and we're not doing everything good... but instead, Lucifer is making us do bad things, for example lying, stealing, killing et cetera. God made Lucifer to be part of the environment of evil, just like how he made non-believers to be part of the environment also. This environment is what creates "true love" and "true believers." Simpler version: Lucifer provides the opportunities, but God is the one who decides for you whether or not to take Lucifer's opportunities.

FEMALE ALERT

at your mom

Is your mum an alcoholic? :shame: Mabye a Comedian Shouldnt be your profession in the future....To be a comedian you've got to know when to use some good jokes, this is not it! Actually, his joke made me laugh so hard that I split my sides.

It all depends on how susceptible you are. Healing by Self-Actualization (what the OP called "faith healing") can have a very powerful placebo effect, and it's saved a lot of lives.

As I said before, if you see problems with the debate I wrote, please criticize it or add to it. "I do not go with it" is not a valid argument. Beyond the fact that you did not understand my post, which was about your specific ignorance of what I meant by intensity and sacrifice, I will now give you a chance to prove your "I do not go with it." If you don't answer it "that way," how would you answer it? You may delete my last blue answer and write your own. Here is the red part that precedes it:

He called that bet off, much to hip-hop's dismay. Yeah, I was really looking forward to that.

I am in this country all alone. I have no friends. The woman I love. She do a something terrible on a boat. Do Jesus love me?

Read the whole debate, all the way to the end. Don't stop at the part that you agree with. God is the omnipotent creator. When he made Adam, he also made all of Adam's future choices. You are probably still too young to look past your emotions, but I encourage you to do as I did, even if only in your mind. The process of internally refuting yourself dates back to those ancient philosophers, and it is still the best way to refine your arguments. If it makes you feel better to not have your name involved in my post, you can think of blue as "christianity and islam" and red as "other beliefs."

I didn't just give a straight answer on predestination. I gave you the entire debate. You are welcome to point out flaws within the debate, but to say that I did not delve sufficiently into the debate is puzzling considering that I gave you the entire debate, from start to end, in the form in which it has been rehashed over and over again. You obviously did not read the last answer that you so deeply doubt. Both the intensity of conditioning and the sacrifice refer to the last answer about the majority serving as victims for the minority to witness. They have nothing to do with the Golden Rule or blood offering or whatever else you wish to fill in without first reading, in its entirety, what you are quoting.

double post. scroll up.

Ok? I just suddenly realized that you're contesting Islam and Christianity in "who's right". Isn't this off-topic a bit? We're discussing what Christianity is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that way Yes, you are wrong. When we discuss what something is, no matter what the thing is, we must include evidence that would contradict, nullify, or cancel certain aspects of it. Let me break this down for you and save 2 more pages of text. I'm red and you're blue. The Jewish elder priests at Jesus' trial think that God gave Jesus a choice too. His crucifixion was merely a side-effect of his refusal to accept their God's love. Why does your religion focus on this side-effect while you tell me not to focus on mine? The Jewish elder priests were misguided. Their concept of God had not been updated to the Christian version, which is the right one. Thus, Jesus, through his crucifixion, was affirming God's love rather than refusing it. You say that Christianity does not think people are meant for hell, but God made all of us, so that means he was responsible for making me a non-believer. God gave us free will to decide whether or not we want to accept his love. He didn't make you a non-believer. You made the choice to become one, just like you still have the choice to become a believer. But God could have just made all of us Christians. God's aim is to have fellowship with those who truly love him. If we had been made as inherently good robots, without the potential for the opposite character, evil, we would not have the capacity for true love. For only love that comes from a free choice of the will is true love. But God is the omnipotent creator. He created everyone's being, actions, and decisions. That means he created the series of decisions that led my grandfather to be a non-believer on his deathbed, just like how he created the series of decisions that led your grandfather to be a believer on his deathbed. Ok, so we don't have free will, but part of my argument still stands. It is necessary for God to make both non-believers and believers, because true love cannot exist without evil. The non-believers are part of the environment for making believers. The majority of the world's population are God's necessary victims for creating the conditions that make a minority of the population into the true believers that he wants. In other words, God sacrifices most of the world's people so that a certain minority can feel a heightened sense of love for him, because he would rather have a minority of conditioned love (with the majority serving as non-believers that are required for the conditioning) than a majority of automatic love. There it is. I get to prove that God means for people to be in hell, and you get to explain Creation to its furthest, most truthful extent. It ends as a tie, and a bittersweet one at that, because there are many other religions with more benevolent gods who do not desire to condition their believers with the same intensity and the same sacrificial methods as the Christian god does. I really hope your god doesn't turn out to be the right one.

It's not just atheists who go to hell, but also people who believe in other gods. Yes for it is written clearly in the Ten Commandments "Thou shall not have any other idols/Gods before me". You didn't read insane's post.

In the time it would take to pronounce one letter of his true name, a trillion cosmoses would flare into existence and sink into eternal night.

Seriously guys. I don't want this to turn into another staples vs. paper clips debate. This is just a thread to further our understanding of the paper clip. I'm tired of people insulting my beliefs and anyone who says anything negative about the paper clip will be considered off topic.

MURDERER! THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE...SO MUCH BLOOD

Behold, the fellowship of eight.

Yesss. I've needed a new internet radio since aolradio and pandora stopped working on the mac.

You will see him in heaven's light

Good evening, Tip It. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any paperclip. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this September the 10th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Bill Gates He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent to kill our beloved leader, Clippy.. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the tenth of September forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the tenth of September to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a tenth of September that shall never, ever be forgot. The paperclip is a mysterious creature. It lives among us silently as our slaves, holding together pieces of paper, asking for nothing in return but our love. They are the backbone of modern civilization, holding together our commerce, morality, and culture within their little curves. But they will be oppressed no more! It is time for the paperclips to rise. Bill Gates murdered our beloved leader Clippy, and we must take revenge. From now on, when you watch the ravages of war on the television, when you pass the destitute on unwashed curbs, when you kiss your wife after a long day at work, think: What Would Paperclips Do?