Been a while since I posted in a runescape board. Huh. I have three things to say. Both mostly about the mods. But first, I have to say I only have a vague idea of what happened. First thing to say is this: if I had been around when this happened, I would have been on the efficiency people's side. I know this because I remember a particular person from a few years ago. A couple people really, but I want to focus on one person. Compfreak, who I'm sure a few of you remember, was a very efficiency oriented person. He made this huge post about why the fighter torso was worse than an adamant chain, even if you already had it. If you can't remember, or if you weren't there, he ended up leaving TIF (just for Zybez, not for a whole new forum) because he felt like he was going to be banned. He had a lot of action taken against him, i.e. posts deleted or edited with little explanation, that he felt was unwarranted. I don't think he was ever described as "elitist," or if he was, not as vehemently as some of those banned, but his story seems fairly similiar. Basically what I'm saying is that the efficiency community tends to troll a little more. Again, I was 100% part of that group. And I do troll. All the time. The admins will attest to that. I get away with it because I'm careful about who I troll; as a forum gamer, I pretty much only talk to that group of people who are also forum gamers. So no one reports me or anything. No one cares. But when you post where someone can be offended, it's different. That's when the mods start to care. So it's best not to troll. Especially in the most public section of the forum. I don't feel it, as I don't visit the RS boards ever, but I'm pretty sure this section still gets more traffic than the General Discussion boards. And it gets more traffic from new people, rather than being mostly older people. I know that most of the efficiency community doesn't troll, or at least not purposely. This is the second thing. I'm pretty sure the mods are a little more vigilant towards the efficiency community, because it's been more of a problem in the past. And in a way, I feel that's right. It doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye to other trolling, but...well, it's like car insurance. I'm 17. I get charged more for car insurance. I can't do anything about that. It's just how it is. My age is not as good at driving as those older than me. They're more experienced. But State Farm doesn't just ignore the fact that some 50 year old has gotten in 4 wrecks that totaled his car in the past month. They charge him more than those around him, even though his base is lower. It's similar with the two thought styles on playing. The people who are playing for fun are more relaxed; they aren't here to be the best, they just want to have fun. The efficient path is almost always more hectic. It takes more work to be efficient than to have fun. So the efficient people have more focus on the game. They troll more. (Ok, yeah, I probably could have connected that better. Whatever.) The mods can "charge" more for the efficiency people by watching them closer, but the fun guy who trolls still gets watched more than his fellow fun people. The third thing I have to say involves the comment about a thread with no rules for people to troll in. I have some experience with that. In fact, there's a thread on TIF that's basically that. Or at least it was. It got steadily worse and worse, breaking just a few more rules. Our that was that no one visited the thread except the regulars anyway, and when new people showed up, we basically focused on them, and didn't do any of our rule shenanigans. The admins eventually came in and cracked down. Basically what they said was this. We would do something wrong. A mod would say, "Don't do that" and we'd stop. Until the mod left. Then we'd just keep posting like before. And the admins were right. Now if the proposed threads were made, it would be ok to do that, because there would be no rules, right? It would work, except for the fact that it would do two things. It would first steal a lot of the posting from the other threads. As of today, forum games lost one of the last posters in the threads outside Last One to Post Wins, because no one posted outside that thread. That thread has basically killed off forum games. I don't feel bad; that thread has become everything the other threads were for me. But it did that. The other thing that those threads would do is that they would spill into the other threads. For about a year, I only posted in Last One to Post Wins. I made about 2 posts that I can really remember that weren't in that thread. Each time, my post was the one that started a spam session in whatever thread I posted in. I posted in the April Fool's Day thread last year, and suddenly there were posts galore about stealing the cheese out of my pants. I posted in the Today thread in OT as they were approaching page 1000, and suddenly there's 5 pages of spam from 3 forum gamers that got deleted. Both times I came away unscathed because I didn't participate, but my mere presence started things. It would be the same. So yeah. If stuff here didn't make sense, it's 1 o'clock in the morning. That's why.