Well all I know is that Jagex still is making more moneys than are using, so they cant' have taken such a big hit as some people are wanting to tell. But Summoning...If its coming in "two waves" then it MIGHT meet expectations of players. Im a skiller and wont' train it but... it still looks fun. :) I cant' see why Jagex would want to put a spin on their updates. They knew what they were getting into and face it: If people are really so incredibly upset about a couple aspects of the game being removed, I think those people should realize that Runescape and pking pretty much owned their lives, and they were not getting all they could out of the game. As to the 'young kids' thing, ha! some of my best friends are 13-15 and they feel the same way as i do; I think Jagex is try now to weed out the players they dont' like (players that fit the 'complaining' category I guess) :o I hope that made sense, I jumped around a bit :?