samcowcow

I did some experiment with my friend today. Here you go: Me: combat 135 Risking around 100k Friend: combat 100 Risking around 26k~100k each time. Location: Deep wildy 1st kill: 100% > 78%. 2nd kill: 78% > 57% 3rd kill: 57% > 34% 4th kill: 34% > 11% 5th kill: 11% > 3% The result shows that the theory in "higher combat lv lose less EP%" is valid. Please feel free to do more testing and post them on here :thumbsup: Thanks!!

is that the room where you need to run around to avoid the guards?

I have these fish hats from the new quest. I like them a lot, so I put them in bank, but 4 of them is quiet a space in my squeezed bank. Just wondering if they can be put into player house? Thanks!! :oops:

I think the "combat level effects the EP% you lose" theory is very intersting, maybe we need more confirmation on this? I have updated the thread for now. Thanks to Zalok for testing cold zone EP% :)

Thanks :) can you provide your level and the level of person you killed?

Thanks for the information! updated :thumbsup:

I need to sleep now.... Will be back in 7-9 hours. Please share your experience if you can :) I will put them up when I wake up. Thanks to everyone who are kind and helpful to contrubute the information! :thumbsup:

FACTS PART 1: [hide=]EP% MAX is : 100% (people have more than 100% before, and it is now fixed.) P2P and F2P EP% are linked : No, they are counted separately. EP% is now harder to earn: YES Reason: *When I earned the 40% EP before the update, I only spent like 1 hour at dark beasts place. *now, when I spend 30 minutes in dark beasts, it only gives me 1% EP%. How to increase EP% (30 minutes time) : You must be risking 75k+ , you can check by clicking the death button in player equipment screen, it becomes green) After 40%, I should go to hot zone and earn EP% : Yes In cold zones, you can earn up to 40%EP, after that, you will only get like 1%EP every 30minutes. Therefore, you should go to hot zone to earn EP%, otherwise it will take forever to reach 100%. EP% you lose depends on : your combat level (higher lv lose less %) Thanks to soma2035. (please feel free to add in more information about this, we need more confirmation) In hot zones (wildy, edge...etc) , the EP% increases by : around 22~30%. Thanks to everyone :) If you walk in and out the safe areas, it will make your EP% : less than staying in hozone all the time.[/hide] FACTS PART 2: [hide=]The EP% you lose on BH and PVP worlds is different: YES Thanks to soma2035. BH has the same yield (increase) as PvP: YES Thanks to soma2035. If I die with EP%, will my loot be effected : No. It is ok to die with EP%. Thanks to soma2035. Do I get better loot by risking more? or killing someone who risks more : No. Thanks to soma2035. As long as you have 75k+, and the person you kill has 25k+, it's all good.[/hide] EP% Max test by Samcowcow: [hide=]When I logged into pvp world. my EP% was already 40%. (I eanred this before the EP% update...spent like 1 hour doing dark beast task. after 30 minutes doign slayer task(cold zone), it became 41%. another 30 minutes in wildy fishing place(hot zone)., it became 72% another 30 minutes in wildy sitting with people (hot zone), entering safe areas some of the time, it became 94%. another 30 minutes of walking around wildy(hot zone), without going into safe area at all, it became 100%. Therefore, the max EP% is now 100% Hope this helps a little bit with people confusing the max EP% you can earn.[/hide] Here is the data of EP% you lose per kill (feel free to leave your loot :) ) [hide=]samcowcow: My combat lv is 135 vs my friend lv100 (did in deep wildy) 1st kill: 100% > 78%. 2nd kill: 78% > 57% 3rd kill: 57% > 34% 4th kill: 34% > 11% 5th kill: 11% > 3% Musky44: Got 100% EP, then got a ring of stone, dboots, and granite maul, causing me to lose 26% EP. Esper_Jones: From 100% I got about 1.3M worth of drops, including a corrupt Zuriel's Staff and 2 Dragon Halberds. I also got two brawlers - Thieving and Hunter. It took seven kills before it drained to 0, and I kept getting Rune+ drops even at 1% potential. The first three kills drained 26% potential each. TheLad1: 100% EP. Drop - 74 Diamond Bolts (e), Infinity Boots, G Maul, Rune Full Helm & assorted food Lost 24% of EP 86% EP. Zerker Ring, 43 Dragon Arrows P+, Granite Legs, Rune Hally & assorted Food Lost 22% of EP mirsh: 100% EP to 0% EP. Agility glove, around 350~400k stuffs. soma2035: On my level 65 account, I killed a level 68 on a Bounty Hunter world. I had 100% EP, he was not a target, and my drop was a Granite Platebody, Glory Amulet, and the Dragon Dagger P++ he lost. I lost 75% EP. On my level 137 account, I killed my level 133 friend who had 25k cash. Every kill cost me 21% or 22%[/color] alternating, so I believe it was a 21.5% loss. I also allowed my friend to kill me his numbers matched with mine: he lost 21% or 22% alternating. 30 minutes on PvP worlds, in the wilderness, doing nothing, seems to yield 25%EP consistently. Another of my friends, on a level 43, got into several fights and trained for half an hour in a hot zone [/color]and got a whopping 35%. toast647: 80% to 56%. 24% for one kill Rune platelegs and dragon arrows warren211: I was at 100% EP and decided to do the 26k trick. In a hotzone, it brought my potential down to 67%, meaning a 33% loss. My next kill put me down to 27% potential, meaning a loss of 40%. I was 111+7, my partner was 114 (he had a pouch to boost his level). Warcraft53: Me -111(102 +9 but had pouch to boost level) Friend-102(Did not have a pouch out)(102+8) Kill 1 - Lost: 37%EP (100 Down to 63) Kill 2 - Lost: 36%EP (63 Down to 27) Kill 3 - Lost: 19%EP (27 Down to 8) Kill 4 - Lost: 6%EP (8 Down to 2) Kill 5 - Lost: 2%EP (2 Down to 0) 2nd test Me: 111 with pouch I may try without next time. Friend 99+9 No pouch 1: 100 > 63 again 2: 63 > 27 again 3: 27 > 8 again (Got whip + archer ring. Friend only had 26k in inventory) 4: 8 > 2 again funnisam: Combat lv: 125 Location: F2p pvp world hot zone. EP100%. My target combat level : 125 Loot: rune platebody, rune plateskirt, rune 2h, 2 rune scimis, worn out rune gauntlets, rune full helm, green d hide body, green d hide chaps, 3 amulet of powers. Came to just over 300k. My EP in this one kill went from: 100% to 27% eyetouch: I'm 106 F2p, and 113 P2P. From 30% EP, I 26ked, getting a thief brawler, adamant bolts, mystic staff, rune chain and some other random things. This brought me down to 7 % EP. In BH world, I killed my target. EP% went from 76% to 19% (57%lose). Got a total of 8.8m loot including a Dragon full helm. Master_Smither : Combat level: 137 Location: BH world. From 100%EP, six kills got 27M loot. Kills are in order as you see in the EP and the DFS went from 14%-3% EP so I am guessing EP doesn't matter too much.[/hide] Some other useful information: [hide=]soma2035: BH has the same yield as PvP. Level: 65 Location: 30 minutes in BH worlds with 75k risk EP% yielded: 25% The BH timer has 8 sections, each segment taking roughly 7 minutes and 30 seconds, the whole gauge taking 60 minutes. It seems you can get targets (though unlikely) once it's at least half full. However, assuming you start from nothing, you can expect to get 50% EP while getting a full target gauge, if you risk 75k. However, unlike EP, target gauge goes up even if you aren't risking. Thus, if you already have 100% EP, you might be better off no-iteming until you get a target. Apparently the problem is BH worlds. PvP worlds like 26 usually drain 20-35% of your DP per kill, although we're not sure what determines the exact amount. I suspect it's level. On BH PvP, it drains a potentially massive amount. My friend tested on his level 44, on pvp worlds, it drained 30% exactly, on bh, it drained 70%+. Zalok: Also it has been stated a target kill in BH adds 1 hour of hotzone EP to what you currently have and uses the entire 1 hour worth on that kill. So for example you killed your target and had 100% EP, and lost 30% EP from the drop. You would gain loot worth 80% EP even though the extra hour's worth was never displayed. Georgelemmons: P2P and F2P E.P. are not linked. They do not transfer over, and rise and fall independently. I checked on both worlds to start, and my E.P. was different on both. I gained 1% E.P. in F2P, and then checked to see on P2P, and my E.P. there had not changed. I gained 1% E.P. on a P2P world and checked a F2P world, and my E.P. had not changed. qu168: When I went tricking with a friend, I did an extra kill just for fun. I was still getting better drops after 0% than I normally would, so it would seem there is a residual effect.[/hide] Please post anything I need to update, I will fix it :oops:

guys I spent 7 minutes in the hotzone in wildy, the % jumped from 41 to 47%. but i stayed at the same place for another 10 mintues and it is still 47%. I guess you need to move around not just alching in one spot? can someone confirm this?

I See.. can I do cannon balls in edge? or do thing that needs banking a lot? because i am 99 mage so alching is useless to me... thanks!

I see. What does HS mean? hot spots??

As the new update comes in, you can now view EP% in pvp worlds. I spent a slayer task in pvp world, my EP% was 40%. I was riskign 1.3m (I checked withe the death button) After 30 minnutes, it increased by 1%, so that's 41%. does this mean, for 100%EP, i need another 30 minutes x 49 = 1470 minutes? thanks...

Okay...I understand that. But to be honest, who's gonna find out when he logs in and leave and I do it for him :oops: but yah, I know what you are saying. Thanks for the reminding :P

I see. :shock: I was thinking to use that accout and buy weapons to lend to me... (e.g. his account buys a BGS, AGS, DCLAW...etc, and lend to me when needed) but that way I need to pay membership every month. Maybe it's time to just share the money to the world :thumbsup: big drop party!

I have a friend who just quit rs. He is planning to give the account to me. I am thinking to transfer the wealth from his to mine. But, I know there is a rule saying "If the 2 accounts belong to the same person, they cannot interact." so, if I do this, it's against Jagex rule. (If you wonder how I transfer, I was thinking trading the cash every 15~30 minutes) Here is the question: 1. Will it still be "against the rule" if my friend gives the account to my brother, and transfer the wealth to me? (since he is the owner of the account) 2. If I do the above, but on the same computer (he needs to use his computer sometime), will Jagex track my IP and thinks i am transferring wealth illegaly? 3. Ok, if I just simply takes over the account, and transfer the wealth to my main account on the same computer, will Jagex ban me? (well it's against the rule, but I am just thinking how could they possibly track who owns which account? the only way I can think of is that the "SAME IP has more than 1 account logged in".) I haven't done any of this yet, because my friend hasn't give the account to me. if I offend anything please excuse me... :oops: Thank you :shock:

As far as I know...banned account can't access the forum. How can they post their names in the thread if they can't access the forum :S

It's all about LUCK. Some people don't get a whip in the task. Some people get like 2 or even more per task. It's ALL about LUCK.

TDS are more expensive and more dangerous. I think Bandos is better in the aspect of fun, safety and reward.

what can you do after you got the big shark? do you put it in the house? what is your fishing level now?

take a pouch??? could you explain that a bit further? sorry I don't really know too much about this pvp thing... my melee skills are all 99. Prayer is 74. Summon is 94. When I log in , my combat says "123+11"

thank you very much! one last question: does my friend need to be near my combat level? my combat level is 134.

can someone confirm this? is my idea still good to use? :oops:

Hello, I just got 194 dark beasts task. I am thinking to do them in pvp world, so I can potentials up (dark beasts take ages). After i got the potential up, say...30 minutes, A friend of mine will come to a place and let me kill. My question is: to get better drops, what will my friend need to prepare? 1. does he need to bring 25k gp on him? 2. does he need to be in danger zone for some time, too? 3. when i decide to leave dark beasts and go to kill him, i can't enter safe zone at all, right? 4. any other things I should be aware? Thanks!!

If you just want to do melee, try SLAYER. Don't buy a fury (I am 134 combat and 97 slayer 95 summon i Never use fury, i simply use glory or guthix stole when I need to pray) Do'nt buy Berzerker ring (rather use a ring of life or warrior ring or ring of wealth) Don't buy bandos (only good if you got both of them) If you really want to buy some combat gear, get full barrows. That way you get to experience the fun and also useful for slayer, too. My last suggestion: If you plan to do combat for a while, why not just do slayer? If you just want pure melee exp, all you need is whip and prayer armor and then camp at Ape Atoll monkey guards!

The torso disappear when you die. same with god capes, god books. So this idea is not working.