This post I respect, nothing sarcastic. No one trying to be a smart [wagon]. Yes I know Bryce 5 isn't as good as other programs. And people don't like abstracts anymore, or toris. But I do. And that's who I made this for, me. Next one I do, I will try something else so people will stop complaing. But thanks for your thoughts Nadril. Atleast you aren't a person that thinks the more internet ego you have the cooler you are. If that made any sense.