Sees All, I applaud you for continually posting this quote - and no, I'm not being facetious. Blyaunte, let's review this once more, in depth, shall we? "As a prisoner at the Jixi labour camp, Liu Dali would slog through..." (This is where you're going to want to start paying attention and pull your head out of your ass, all right?) "TOUGH DAYS breaking rocks and digging trenches in the open cast coalmines of north-east China." So, even with your convoluted logic, surely we can agree he did manual labour during the day. Now, if you continue to read, you're going to see something really interesting that you may have missed. "BY NIGHT, he would slay demons, battle goblins and cast spells." (You seem to have missed this part for the last 12 pages of this thread, so feel free to be extra careful when reading that.) So let's review. Essentially, this quote says that BY DAY, he did manual labour, and BY NIGHT, he gold-farmed. Now, I ain't no fancy, big-city lawyer or nothin', but where I come from, when you put DAY and NIGHT together, it takes about 24 hours. So, now that we (or at least I) have established the mechanics of days, time, and whatnot, let's talk about sleep deprivation, shall we? Webmd defines sleep deprivation as "a sufficient lack of restorative sleep over a cumulative period so as to cause physical or psychiatric symptoms and affect routine performances of tasks." We also know from the article that "We kept playing until we could barely see things." So given the mechanics of a day, and the definition of sleep deprivation, we can determine that he was sleep deprived. Now, to quote Israeli Prime Minister, Menachem Begin (1977 - 1983), on his experience regarding sleep deprivation: "In the head of the interrogated prisoner, a haze begins to form. His spirit is wearied to death, his legs are unsteady, and he has one sole desire: to sleep... Anyone who has experienced this desire knows that not even hunger and thirst are comparable with it." To review, we have now determined that Liu Dali was sleep deprived, and that sleep deprivation is bad. Now, given that Begin states that "not even hunger and thirst are comparable with it," I ask: would recreating the psychological effects of starving someone without killing them be considered torture? If so, then wouldn't forcing sleep deprivation on somebody also be considered torture? Now, Blyaunte, I'm highly confident I won't change your views. However, consider this: IF we assume that Liu Dali is sleep deprived, then does it matter how he is sleep deprived? You seem to be putting an extremely large emphasis on the fact that WoW was the method they used to deprive him of sleep. What if the article instead had him being forced to stare into a bright light for 12 hours, and being beaten in he stopped looking at it? Ironically enough, I think that this a failure on your part to exercise perspective, which you have been using as your mantra, essentially saying "LOL, Y U NO USE PURSPECTIVE DIS IS SO MUCH LESS WORSE DEYN THE HOLOCAUST LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL." I await your response, and please don't clip out any paragraph that doesn't support your convoluted logic. This post works as a whole, and in segments is not an argument. That's why I didn't write this across 10 posts: because it's meant to be read as a whole. EDIT: I removed the comment about Blyaunte's progeny; admittedly, that was not needed, and I apologize.