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I don't know half of what you can do in a floor, so for you, I have no idea. ;) But for everyone else, arrows are completely useless without a hex. The only time you'd ever need arrows - for Necrolord - you can use a surgebox with a staff instead, and it's only very slightly worse than a grave short with fractite arrows (best arrows you can buy from the smuggler). A team with all arrow binds and no surgeboxes would be slowed down considerably by a few t11 warriors, not to mention dreadnaught and hope devourer. Dread and hope are fine with ragers and faster to melee if u have them. Arrows are also useful for world gorger+kalger, but csb is better. Having a random person with sag arrows when u have no hexes on team is usually nice though. (for those 3 bosses) I just did 3 sub 20 min kalgers (with 3bo ofc ;-), all f59, so fair amount of warriors) with no surgeboxes tho, and "only" 2 hex. But I have to agree lack of surge slowed each floor down 30 secs or so. If u leech def on them its not too bad. There were 4 or 5 instances in those 2 floors where plate saved me from instant death though. (High warps with 4 120 dgers = hard rooms)

I understand your points, but the one thing you can't do with a blood neck is go into a room with a mage and a ton a rangers that you have no reason to kill (short skill/puzzle room) and come out unharmed, like you can do with a plate. I know this applies mostly to the keyer, but if you have a door gated and find one of these such rooms where you would be fine with a platebody (primal platebody has more def bonuses than full bandos). Then you have to regate and either let someone with a platebody do the room or bring the whole teams there. I do understand you more now from reading your responses, and may even try doing some floors with dgs in the future.

Armor can be made losslessly too though, so why complain about people from 3bo making it? That was really my main point and I admit I was kind of trolling at first and even with that point, though in MY opinion, it's stupid to bind a blood neck far before 120 because so many people don't know how to use them properly and end up wasting food. About you hating on 3bo, I can see where you are coming from and teams are sometimes bad, but you get more good teams than bad teams in my experience. One difference I've noticed though, looking through all the screenshots of fast floors in this thread is that people seem to die ALOT, and with the first death costing 13% xp, average 25 minute dungeons would have to 3 minues faster to make up for this. Once again in MY opinion it is beft to bind a plate over a blood neck unless you are very close to 120, and if i'd gotten my hex at a lower level (I got it at 119) I'd have thought twice about binding it too. On occult/warped floors it's very difficult to not die if keying with a blood neck/hex, and the loss of your own xp is really not worth the time, and if you want to avoid the death you would have to get your whole team tom ecome and tank the dangerours skill room or whateve, or use up alot of food, both of which will slow you down. Honestly if you dg with 3bo for long enough you know who and who not to take and can get good teams all the time. TL;DR: Imo platebody is the best 3rd bind (except hex/blood necks when close to 120), and this is from experience with blood neck and hex, not just because I say so.

Heads up to anyone looking to join this clan: I joined the cc and asked why they make range armor and yet complain about 3bo people making armour (which if you actually dged with them you know it doesn't happen very often) and instead of getting an answer I was simply kicked.

Source? http://forum.tip.it/topic/292275-notes-when-posting/

It may be efficient in terms of RL time, but not in terms of rs time which is what this forum is about. Even using a cannon is pretty afk if you are only picking up blue/crimson charms since you just stand under your cannon and the monsters come to you. As grimy says this works best on a low population server.

http://forum.tip.it/topic/292463-mining-smithing/page__view__findpost__p__4823095 I was commenting that people weren't reply with efficient things, even though on the sticky on that forum it explicitly states that that is what you must do...

Cannoning is about 10k xp/hour faster. And by saying that you're going against one of the points made in the sticky.

It's best to superheat and drop as I do in this video, as it's the same xp/hour as low alching (90k+ with urns), but you get the smithing at no cost in time, so infinity xp/hour, compared to 250k xp/additional hour spent after mining, so it must be better to mine and superheat. Don't post on this efficiency forum if you don't know how to be efficient -.-

DGS = Dungeoneering GodS

Or just use the trapezium rule =)

Its actually worth it not to use adze for these so you get more logs to split log also is where foot( givememyarm ) got that method from But the gain in wc xp is negated by the loss in firemaking xp, especially since splitting the logs doesn't fill up urns.

Sorry about off topic ish this will be last time just confirming something really important. He was reffering to when odin got hacked recently I happen to be friends with odin he got the ip adress of the hacker..etc I belive the dungeoneering ban was well before this incident ? However also thanks to the guy who gave me the answer about re-installing windows I just wanna make sure can i get a second opinion? Re installing windows will take anything like a keylogger..etc off my computer? Im not worried bout losing pics..etc I have all those backed up in flash drives and my emails so ima check this thread again when I get home or if im still in this class w/ a computer lol and some1 asnweres me then if so, when I get home ill re install windows. Also I think the 2011 predictions up there were nice maybe some more slightly around never know tezz may be pk ing same as telmo or..etc I think suomi will be rank 1 some time in 2012 his slayer pace will be nice this year and hell get that out of the way and hopefully let him do some buyables as well Also dont forget the herb xp suomi will gain during slayer from making the overloads as he goes. May not make much a difference but thats another +40m xp If you format your HDD when you reinstall it should be removed, but there may also be a chance the virus/keylogger is on your flash drive.

"Its not for everyone, as its a fine and precise art, but those who can master it should earn more XP working on adamant ceremonial swords than they could bashing out adamant platebodies." - From the BTS If that's true then it could be a decent update as long as it doesn't cost to much more.

Mining 97k/hr (including bank time) Fishing 88k/hr (excluding banking time for more urns) Woodcutting- 119k/hr (excluding banking time for more urns) Cooking unaffected by wines, I cannot test summer pies Prayer- Useless Smelting- Useless With the cutting and eating method linked by jebrim a few pages ago it would be about 105k fish xp/hour I thought cut/eat was 75k/hr. Each fish fills 0.6% of the urn. Average 200/3 xp/fish. 75000/(200/3)= 1125 fish/hr 100/0.6= 500/3 fish for 1 urn 1125/ (500/3)= 6.75 urns per hour 6.75x 1900= 12825xp from urns 75000+12825= 87825xp/hr The old cutting and eating method was around 75-80k xp/hour, however the new one shown in this video: is around 90k. So 90000/(200/3) means 1350 fish/hour. 1350/(500/3) = 8.1 urns per hour for an additional 15390 fish xp/hour, and 90000 + 15390 = 105390 (105.3k xp/hour)bad fight

Mining 97k/hr (including bank time) Fishing 88k/hr (excluding banking time for more urns) Woodcutting- 119k/hr (excluding banking time for more urns) Cooking unaffected by wines, I cannot test summer pies Prayer- Useless Smelting- Useless With the cutting and eating method linked by jebrim a few pages ago it would be about 105k fish xp/hour

I would have to say WC with Ivy. You can basically stay at the same spot forever and only have to click once every 2-3 minutes + randoms... I'd reckon cooking would be, because there is a consistent amount of time inbetween banking and it doesn't cost any money. If you already had the money, then something like Herblore or prayer because of how fast they are.

About 130-140k Hunter and 25-28k Agility xp/hour, and if you counted the agility xp to be hunter xp (due to time saved) then it would be 180-195k Hunter xp/hour.

Why does only skiller have a "previously Aasiwat", since elvis was nintendo swe, erw j was gemini pro, kingduffy was kingduffy 1(I think) etc.