Hey all, please don't ban me as I am trying (and have tried) to state my point fairly and clearly. Das, I really do appreciate the fact that you care. The world needs to be led by people who care. Yes, both of our sides made mistakes. That's regrettable but ultimately not very surprising. We're human. Also, a lot of posting has been going on that is NOT representative of the leadership of the new forums. Please take this to heart. But like I've said before, Grimy and I pretty much came to the table knowing that separation was more or less our final goal. Because what I think is most important, and what I think differentiates our future forums from tip it, is administrators and moderators that are active in discussions and the game. That's how mods make good, informed decisions and can make judgments in context. Maybe this is not realistic but I would really like to give this a try. And ultimately such a change would be impossible with you guys. There's no way I could ask you to give up many moderator and administrator positions. I hope we can maintain good relations. Our goal is in no way to overthrow or destroy tip it, just foster a community that has similar interests as us. Those interested in our new forums can contact me in game (The Ancient). Realistically I expect users to use both our forums and tip it. I know I'll still be lurking here, but I won't be as active in H&A, Guidewriting, and General Disc.