alrighty then, I think I'll keep going and get that maul for waterfiends. I actually only have about 75k tokens left, so it might be worth it even if i didnt end up using waterfiends much. any other thoughts/suggestions? about anything really :P the people here seem more knowledgeable than RS forums so i may post questions a lot lol ooh another- I hear its better to use effigies on summon than pray. how much better? i'll probably end up doing the calculations before I use them, but if I get turmoil first should I use them (i have 13 atm, bound to have at least 20 by then) or save for yak? also, what are some crim estimates for uni/yak? ~500 crims and blues atm