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@Med...Thanks, but it's going to be quite some time until I'm even close to passing you :blink: @Sonic...Thanks, glad to see you've made your way back to forums...hope League of Legends is treating you well. I've been around w61 doing some of my dungeoneering like that, but I'm unfortunately still a bit slow by most of their standards. Not everyone is such a champion like you :smile: @Kaida...Thanks, I see you're getting closer to 99 mining! It's going to be awesome. I'm glad the gauntlets are working out for you. Once I start getting better at surviving tougher guardian rooms hopefully I'll be able to switch out to them as well. @Leet...Thanks, I haven't seen you in the TFS chat lately! Have you been around? On topic, school has started up again, so I've slowed down again. I'm doing a few floors daily...I set my personal small record by one second and got a 2:32 floor. Not much else is new. Prayer is impossible with big bones at over 500 gp each after the nuke, and I'm not sure that prices will ever go down. I don't have the focus to do Runecrafting properly on school nights, which is a shame because of the huge profit that one can earn running airs at the moment. I finally invested in a gravite shortbow; it's well worth it. I had been fearing 99 ranged, but it is going to be much more obtainable than I had previously expected. Adiós, for now.

Do you think the last player in that dialogue was aware of the rhyme?

I'll add you and help out from time to time. What's your name in-game?

- The higher leveled person should not have to hop around and have reduced xp/ waste time; after all, they did work for it How is the lower leveled person supposed to get to a high level if they work without reward, when the high level person gets *all* of the reward? Ellac, your point doesn't take into accound that the high leveled person also had a time when they were the lower leveled person. At that point they either hopped worlds or used the less convenient spot.

Grats Athymy on the recent and upcoming 200M's. What's next for you?

Glad you came to your senses, Hedgehog! Kidding obviously, thank you for doing your research and calcs for clarification purposes. I finally stopped being lazy, and switched out my laws for a new cosmic bind. Probably makes 70-80% of solos go faster than they would have been, and 20-30% go slower. I'm getting faster, but it still appears that you guys are utilizing some strategy that I'm not.

Anddddd 1300 total!

Going to grab the mining level that I'm close to before bed.

I'll raise the point once more that it is essential for an f2p'er to have a stab option against most dungeoneering bosses.

I've never encountered a mage that I couldn't successfully hit consistently with stab on my spear in a dungeon. Switch that over to weak to stab. Not sure I agree with the warriors, however. I use crush with my spear on the stronger ones in platebodies. Hedgehog, I seriously don't know exactly how defence rolls and such work. I'm not trying to ignore your point, but perhaps if you could give me some further insight or a link to an explanation, I could understand better.

I really don't understand how def ratings work, sorry. Could you explain what that means, please?

Are glacors still serious profit with such high surge costs?

There is a defence rating cutoff that would determine which is actually better DPS. Admittedly, I don't know how to calculate that. "...so if most monsters are extremely low def, then a spear would be better, but I highly doubt it." That's where you're not exactly right. The monster are extremely low def. This is the result of the fact that usually you're a level 110 cber up against monsters put into the dungeon for a level 46 player. (110 cb + 110 cb + 3sk + 3sk + 3sk)/5. From my understanding, attacking a monster's weakness in a dungeon is much more of a significant factor in p2p dungeons. If you do 35 floors, usually the monster with the highest melee defense that is not a boss is something like a level 60something warrior. Still, this is relatively easily taken down by a player with 85 attack, attack pray on, and a spear's crush. Once you move onto bosses, however, the defence increases significantly. Having a stab against a level 91 pummeler is essential. The same goes for a level 104 plane-freezer. While a 2h would be useful against saggitare, you very rarely encounter him in f2p with anything aside from a combat level of 67, which you'll nearly never miss against with your spear's stab, much less its slash. The stab is also invaluable against Riftsplitter, and I'm sure others that I can't think of at the moment. There are zero f2p bosses that requre slash.

Spear with stab and 15% attack pray is sufficient on all lower level monsters in f2p. Higher level brutes are weak to stab, I believe. The spear's crush against medium leveled warriors with 15% attack prayer is okay. Against the highest level warriors, you can't hit at all with melee in f2p. Stab with prayer against rangers is fine. Stab with prayer against mages is fine. Stab is fine against guard dogs and also spiders. The highest level spiders can easily be hit with crush. The crush works well for skeletal horde. The stab is fine against low and med level shades as well as zombies. At higher levels, the slash suffices with prayer. At the highest levels, I think having a 2h as a third bind might come in handy...that having been said, you VERY rarely see these levels in solo or 2cb3sk dungeons. The way I see it, the only boss in f2p where stab isn't acceptable is skeletal horde. Not because it won't work, but because crush is so effective. tl;dr: While I understand your rationale about few monsters being weak to stab, you VERY rarely come across a monster in f2p with high enough def that you will have trouble because you have a spear. F2P dungeoneering 2cb3sk style is designed so that you don't face tough monsters.

Spear is irrefutably the better choice...Having all 3 attack styles alone makes it worth binding over a 2h. That having been said, I think a better setup than the one I mentioned before might be spear, cosmics, gaunts, and then at level 100 a 2h because of the inaccuracy of a spear's slash attack. The 2h's slash option would be utilized against shades and zombies in particular.

I don't have the most efficient bind setup...I'm spear, platebody, laws. The laws are because I usually don't lead in a group. The ideal solo small bind setup would be spear, gauntlets, cosmics. Boots at 100 dg. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Hey there Kaida. The only thing I can think of is that I'm playing in resizable instead of fixed mode. Pretty sure that's the only change.

Will be following this...that's a big goal! Good luck!

82 Attack and 103 Combat!

That's a lot of xp.... :thumbsup: I'd like to second that you should get into dungeoneering a bit, but it's obviously your choice. Good luck!

Dung, rinse, repeat.

Makkaravelho, If you're looking to get back into dging and I'm on you can always shoot me a message and I'll try to get a team together. In case my many subliminal hints haven't done the trick, actually, I'm desperate for people to Dungeoneer with. This applies to anyone and everyone :^_^:

Maybe 82 Attack next? Not sure.

I'm more or less on fire..... :evil: