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aw i edited my post so it's clearer. yeah, 3.54 times as valuable with those levels at 80% accuracy sounds right. if 98-99 was more than 3.54x the xp as 80-81 attack, then attack would be better to train still.. which i think it may be. ah i see you edited that fact in lolz :). == on another note you have a good method to doing the calculations. the confusing part to me was the fact that str bonus and attack bonus actually don't matter (because higher attack and strength bonus actually benefit both increases in attack and strength roll equally..).

quyneax i actually just realized your example needs some help it's unfair to compare the 88 attack levels to the 13 strength levels BECAUSE while the strength levels are each of the same value to dps, the attack levels are decreasing in value to dps. the first attack level is FOUR times as valuable at the 88th one to dps (i.e accuracy). that's because the value of attack levels to dps go down quadratically. so the attack level that gives the average value of the attack levels from 80-168 is the 110-111 level. but the 110-111 attack level is roughly 1/2 as valuable as the 80-81 level. SO, at 80% accuracy instead of 80-81 attack being 13/88 as good as 98-99 strength it is actually twice as valuable as that, so 13/44 as good (meaning str would be 44/13=3.38x as valuable). the case that your example made was that 98-112 str has the same benefit as 80-168 attack, if you initially have 80% accuracy. what that doesn't mean is that 80-81 attack has 1/8th the effect on dps as 98-99 strength (actually it is like 1/4..).

thanks so much for that calculation :). hmm yeah i think you have it exactly right. if your accuracy is 80% then 98-99str instead of 80-81 attack is better i guess. i can believe that. == if your accuracy is 70% on the other hand then your max hit would have to go from 100-121.5 (or increase by a factor of 1.21.5) to compensate for the 88 attack levels. that would take around 20 strength levels if you were 98. at that point training attack might be better.

yeah i know that. but doesn't leveling attack increase dps at the fastest rate if attack = lv 80 and str lv= 98. your dps will go up faster if you train attack in that situation even though it increases your dps less than a str level because you will level it much, much sooner.

are you saying that an attack level would be less than 20% as valuable to your dps than a strength level? and if it was more than 20% as valuable would you agree it would be best to level attack from 80-81 before str from 98-99? also, do you agree that it is best to level the thing which increases your dps at the fastest rate? if you do not agree can you specify how you think it may be wrong? let's be clear. thanks. == hmm no one caught me when i said dps is proportional to attack level/x +str level. that doesn't make any sense. rather dps is proportional to accuracy*maxhit. whichever of attack and strength increases accuracy*maxhit the most per time is what you want to do.. obviously it depends on your equipment and everything then .. and note that as str gets higher, training accuracy gets more valuable for two reasons - 1) the xp to get the attack level decreases in comparison to the xp needed to get the next strength level and 2) the value of increasing accuracy by a defined % increases as max hit (str level) increases.

the reason why i don't believe that is the following: if you are 98 strength, then your dps increases faster if you train attack (while the strength level is more valuable, the attack level can be achieved in 20% of the time and it is more than 20% as valuable as the strength level). and it is my belief is that it is best to train what increases your dps at the fastest rate.

i ran 100 meters to the mail box .. almost didn't make it home. i really like the feeling after running fast, but the running itself is nearly unbearable :/. woulda thought humans would have evolved to run in a manner that wasn't so taxing (maybe i'm just totally out of shape though, whatever that means).

there's a consensus in the field of biogerontology that aging will be reversible someday .. so it's possible we may not have to deal with it for a much longer while than we think .. people just have different time-frames of when they think that will be (the SENS foundation which has got millions of dollars from some wealthy donors hopes to bring about serious rejuvenative therapies within our lifetimes). anyway, i think death is more sad than ever nowadays now that we are in a time of so much progress. it's easy to imagine all the awesome things we might miss out by dieing too soon (like for one thing missing out on the advancements that would allow us to live longer! and two doing fun things like exploring other planets maybe). i want to help the people who oppose such an early death .. as in get involved in the human life-extension movement. i'm not doing that yet, but that's what i want to do with my life in the future.

this post is my thinking space. == okay i got it. xp per hour is proportional to: str level + (attack level)/x. now, leveling up str and attack increases your xp per hour. so at any point in time you want to level the one up which maximizes the rate of increase of your xp per hour so you compare them. the the value of that str level to your dps over the xp to that str level, to the xp to the value of the attack level to dps over the xp to that attack level. THAT is how you decide :). x is maybe like = to 1.3, dependng on your accuracy. of course the big assumption is that training strength and attack give you the same rate of xp. == you know the one thing that is confusing? which of str and attack it is best to level up in the moment *could* screw you over later. the optimally choice in the short term, might not create the optimal path in the long term (the path of str/att level increases). nah but i think i'm okay. in this case that is not a concern. taking the immediately optimal choices has to pave *the* optimal path.

wow i never ever ever ever ever considered what order leveling melees was best. but yeah it's best to do str/att mostly together except maybe give str a bit of a lead (while str levels will get you more dps than attack levels per level , if you get str too far ahead of attack then the rate at which your dps will increase will actually be higher if you train attack due to it being faster to level). i hope you can understand that. honestly it's kind of a fascinating problem. i'm not sure i properly understand it yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDYbM5n5bPw the glacor's glacites (?) fight each other :P. also when i was killing them over the double drops weekend, numerous times multiple glacors ended up attacking me (i would click one, but then think it was someone elses even though it wasn't, so then click another one, and then both would attack me). maybe it had to do with multiple people clicking on them though.

hmm i was hoping to annoy him with that sentence. when i lurked and he posted i thought he only hurt the tip.it forums .. and so i silently rooted on anyone who challenged him. hmm i hope i have that right in my memory. calling him infamous seems too kind to me :P.

i already have lots too anyway. but, yeah, i wondered about that..

^ yeah that is the impression i got from the behind the scenes. odd that it would be wrong..

i think maybe you didn't like it just because you are older .. that is a pretty damning rationalization for why you don't like it though :P.

i guess the point is that the fact of the platinum being how common it is is not terribly out of line with the amount of platinum in this universe. come to think of it though the avatar planet probably couldn't be in this universe anyway. but it could be in another life-supporting universe that happened to have greater platinum production (i think that would be possible.. but perhaps not). == really, i completely don't understand anyone who has a protracted emotional response to those things being made out of platinum.

i'm going to comment on the platinum thing.. okay, so i don't study exo-planets but i have a friend who does (or at least has a fierce interest in the subject). The only reason why we don't have as much platinum on earth's surface as we otherwise might have is because of something named the iron catastrophe . when our planet was rather young the heat from the radioactive decays from the radioactive elements combined with the other heats to finally melt the irony/nickel, gold, and so on (this wasn't such an easy thing because the pressures were very high). Then all the densest elements (platinum was one of them) sunk to the center .. forever out of reach of the humans that would come to inhabit the surface. conceivably that doesn't have to happen though - if the planet's smaller than earth or some other parameters are different everything might never melt and the platinum would remain evenly distributed. which would mean there would be enough do lots of things with it (my friend said all the precious metals in earth's core could wrap around earth in a sheet over a foot thick).

hmm so you think it was intentional. i thought maybe they forgot. there is something wrong about doubling spin tickets but not effigies though.

maybe it will be a gumdrop.

glacors (it's in the OP). okay i appreciate the constructive criticism of my rant. the next one will whine less i promise you.

oh i remember in the behind the scenes they said it was intended to be able to be done by yourself, but that your friends *could* help too. maybe i am making that up though..

omg it's confirmed bane bolts/arrows work on them. finally! i want to try this.

if it has a timer i will be happy. really, anyway so it's not overcrowded will make me happy. but having a timer is a tried and true method. being multi-combat and having some sort of timer seems like a rather odd combination though..

aw i'm delighted to find another user with such a positive name on this forum!

my favorite part from the last episode: when tenzin yells korra.