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  1. Yea and then skill capes came out and people went ocd about getting at least 1 99 then people realized they liked the self validation from having a 99 and then they said hmm ill go for some harder 99s and then they either 1.) noticed they were kinda close to max and then maxed or 2.) maxed cape came out and they wanted that cape (Its been out quite awhile) Then when people finally maxed they either 1.) grew some logic and quit 2.) didn't care and still played. 3.) went on a 200m gaining highscore rank rampage.

     

    You forgot the part about paying for well written bot scripts because thats as common as cooking capes

  2. Yes, people getting unattractive because of old age is something that is inevitable and we expect it to happen. My wife getting lazy (or as she likes to call it "comfortable") and gaining 50lbs is not something i expect. I do not expect her to trick me into thinking she is a fit healthy person just long enough for me to have a life with her, then the real her comes out and she becomes fat.

     

    I can almost guarantee that most men whose wives are now unattractive thought the exact same thing. "Oh my sweet little angel would never do that!"

     

    Again, this isn't something you can "screen" for. You won't know until you've already placed your bets. Not smart.

     

    Look you can agree to anything in a relationship. If you feel like saying to a women your with that you will only stay with her if her weight between 18.5-25 BMI (Body Mass Index) is a perfectly rational and fair thing to do because anyt weight outside that range is unhealthy. Just like women that refuse to stay with a guy who is a smoker, you can set any condition to your relationship.

     

    So if weight is something you care about, frame it as a health issue and treat a refusal to make a lifestyle change as the same as not quitting smoking or cutting yourself (common source of angst in tween relationships). As long as you state your intention early, and remain healthy yourself she has no right to complain. If she "lets herself go" tell her that you choose to be healthy and that you only date people who share that value, if she refuses then you guys were incompatible and she lied about that value.

     

    Of course treat each situation accordingly.

  3. As I've been saying for a few pages.

     

    Grind based games have these problems, automation is the basic problem of any grind based game, because time and focus investment is the only difficulty in such games.

    Sandbox games have problems with griefing typically.

    Human skill based games have problems with monstrous learning curves as well as people messing with their clients to create advantages.

     

     

    All the above have client editing as a major source of problems. This reply is to Muggi. In every game out there, if you know what your doing you can mess with the client to either bug abuse or get an unfair advantage. Dayz you get full on "hackers" killing entire servers, and RS you get botters, WoW you get bots/teleport "hacks", and all sorts of other interesting quirks. Other games you can make your own add-ons by messing with the client to give you better warnings then other players may have in unmodified clients. Basically what kind of game can you make that has some sort of purpose to it, that cant be broken by messing with the game client?

  4. It would be hilarious if they released new skill early February just as he was about to max all skills...

     

    They will either do that or have a front page congratuations...

     

    In the fine print... new Solomon store stock to celebrate this occasion.

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  5. Shame Jagex haven't banned the high profile players that have quite clearly abused the PoP bugs as there is no way to reach what some people have legitimately this soon.

     

    Yup. They should ban Woox, and all of those other guys.

     

    Assuming Woox was one of the abusers and Jagex is refusing to ban Woox, and if this is all true, then by refusing to ban these people Jagex has exposed themselves, as well as the rules to be nothing more than a sham.

     

    Edit: Just found a thread discussing this on RSOF: 15-16-530-64180943

     

    The rules have always been. People that use bugs to scam in duel arena rarely get banned. Because the QA department keeps them around so that they can patch a bug every now and then and keep their jobs. Yes they do courtesy bans when you have extreme and public displays of rule breaking but its rare. They only ban stupid stuff like PoP glitches or kids who abuse easy xp bugs.

  6. @muggi I don't think it's complicated, I think it's something that can be over-complicated by someone who lacks the confidence and practice to pull it off.

     

    Its called chemistry by mainstream dating advice.

     

     

    Don't ask her for her permission, that turns off a lot of women. Just go for it.

     

    The more you've been touching her (and she's been touching you) prior to the kiss, the greater the odds of her wanting to kiss you. Think about it. If you've been holding her hand and rubbing her back for the past hour, and then go in for a kiss, don't you think she'll be a bit more receptive than if you haven't been touching her at all?

     

    You can tell her that you want to kiss her if you want her to have some warning. And yes touching her and her being receptive to it is important. It isn't complicated, women feel this. Its called chemistry in women's dating magazines. This is how you build chemistry or filter out incompatibility.

  7. Jagex just banned 70+ 200m hunts bots. How long did this take Jagex?

     

    Suomi is now back to under 100 rank for all skills(and on target for thieving as well).

     

    I half wonder if SUOMI is the reason for these bans. Because people are looking at a high profile player at 200m hunting and seeing obvious bots ranked higher.

  8. I have 2 opinions about that. Either Jagex can't ban often enough, because of detection ability or other technical reasons or the other possibility is that they choose not to.

     

     

    If they cant all points before stand, that runescape must be altered so that legitimate play is not gimped by botters

  9. @Quyneax. It is technically impossible to stop botting. The battle is lost.

     

    Nothing is impossible with (computer) science! It just requires money and time.

     

    They could do things like:

    • Scramble item, NPC, and game object ID values every client compilation
    • Send "ghost" objects and false data IDs which when interacted with, would flag an account.
    • Punkbuster like application to monitor processes and the JVM contents.
    • Frequent client updates to change the obfuscation flow
    • More.

     

    1. Easy enough to bypass this, especially with how Jagex would have to write this. They would need some way handle each client having different memory values and being decoded by the server so that everything links up. Its hardwork for Jagex and easy to crack. More or less I cant imagine the fps loss this would cause since RS is a very server sided game.

    2. More or less how Warden on WoW works is similar to this. They just check for altered memory regions and flag an account. Ghost memory regions can be found out and patched in minutes. The wow community finds updates to warden in hours.

    3. Easy enough to bypass similar to Warden on WoW

    4. Now this can be a pain but it is pretty easy to deobf when your used to dealing with it

     

    Again theres all sorts of ways to make it hard, much like website hacking you can do a lot to keep out script kiddies but you cant stop someone who knows what they're doing.

  10. @Quyneax. It is technically impossible to stop botting. The battle is lost. LRC while packed with bots is not harmed by bots in the same way coal rocks of old would be. Thats a good update.

     

    @Miss_Lionesss. LCR is better then rune rocks because infinite bots dont interfere. Im not talking about grindy skill or castle wars, but typically "fun" things tend to be engaging and unique not repetitive. Would engaging skills curb botting? Possibly, but I think most would still bot because a number of people play for prestige not fun. Thats not a problem to me, the problem is, is when these people interfere with normal gameplay. Like CWars loafers or auto-rune miners, etc.

  11. At the end of the day its the companies responsibility to make a fun game not the players responsibility to be entertained.

    That is just ridiculous. Jagex offers anyone (over 13) the opportunity to make an account, completely without obligation. It is Jagex' goal to make money, and in their interest to make the game fun (because people pay for fun games). However, if you accept that offer, it is your own responsibility, and Jagex is by no means required to do anything beyond what the law and the terms of service specify. Keeping yourself to the agreement you have made with Jagex when creating your account is your responsibility, just like it is Jagex' responsibility to keep themselves to the ToS.

     

    In short, if you don't like the game, then that's your problem.

     

    Yeah money making is the end goal... because you have a crowd of people that enjoy your game. A long term solution to the botting problem is to keep the game fun despite half the playerbase cheating. As is we have lots of problems, like half the training areas are packed with bots. Thats something Jagex has the ability to fix, thats something im advocating.

     

    Im not justifying botting. I fully agree with the punishment for not keeping your agreement with the ToS a permanent ban. I am simply saying changes need to be made to keep legitimate players interested depsite a huge playerbase of cheaters. Im pretty sure I wrote this same sentence in bold in my last post.

  12. not a fan of tattoo's around genitalia, or leading to it. just kinda screams tramp (both men or women)

     

    Friend of mine is moving up here late January. Once he moves off the Army base into a rental place (in town), he's going to start taking me out and help me regain a social life and break my anxiety once and for all.

     

    You have a good friend, breaking anxiety is a lot easier when you have a friend like that

  13. Anyways to your other point I didn't design real life MMO so dont complain about it, its irrelevant.

     

    It's very relevant, it's effectively an exaggerated example of what griefers and cheaters do in games. If you can't justify it in real life don't try to justify it in a game.

     

    Your poor gameplay experience as a result of cheaters is a result of those decisions not the fact that people are cheating.

     

    You agreed to a contract when you signed up to play Runescape. Now, you can bot all you want, but when you click that button to run your macro, that's your hand, not Jagex's. There's a difference between Jagex giving you reasons to bot and Jagex forcing you to bot.

     

    Obviously, Donnie, I do get it. But MontyChuck has more than ably framed a response that I would have given almost verbatim. A lot has been written overnight about who is "responsible" for this mess. Responsibility is a trait of an individual. I have given Jagex it's fair share of grief on RSOF for mishandling their antibot measures, but the fault, dear players, lies with you. However well or poorly Jagex has dealt with the issue, the individuals that make the choice to bot are clearly going against the agreement that was part of signing on to the game; they are shirking their responsibility to the game, and more importantly, the game's community.

     

    I stand by my assertion that how you view and treat your own goals, not to mention other people, on an online multiplayer game will be very similar to your attitude to those things where it does matter, in real life. Step back and evaluate that for a moment.

     

    If you want to not "jump through hoops" then go back to your individual console games, use the cheat codes, and be done. Oh but wait. No one to "show off" to there, is there? So what? You have nothing to show off, same as having nothing to show off when you cheat a 99, or a completionist cape, or anything else that takes effort to get. If you have problems with the particular hoops, complain to the game's maker. I certainly agree that 5k Castle Wars games is a ridiculous requirement. And as long as it's in place I have no intention ever of going for, or getting, a completionist cape. Life is too short to spend in 5k 20 minute games for an old fart like me. :razz: But those that have the time to spend, and want to do that, well I'm not going to belittle their achievement by plunking my character down in CW while I'm away at work or something.

     

    Cheers.

     

    here is my argument more or less over again:

     

    Bots aren't going away because people are willing to risk a ban for easier xp. Given that bots are not going away and certain aspects of runescape are negatively affected by bots then Jagex is obligated to alter them if they care about the players gameplay experience.

     

    What Jagex is currently doing is saying, "these aspects of runescape that are negatively affected dont need to be fixed because we are about to make botting technically impossible in runescape". Given that I am right about botting being technically impossible to stop then Jagex's response is wrong.

     

     

    Your response says nothing to what I am trying to say. I dont care about why you ought not bot, or why botting makes people good or bad people. At the end of the day its the companies responsibility to make a fun game not the players responsibility to be entertained. Given that botting ruins the fun for non botters Jagex should alter other aspects of the game to be fun despite botters because it is literally impossible for them to stop people from botting. I dont care about peoples reasons, whether its castle wars or agility being boring I care about the fact that people do it and Jagex can't stop it. I never said I bot, nor have I ever said if I support it directly. I just make arguments on the assumption that Jagex will never fix the problem.

     

     

    But i will say, after getting cheat engine and ploping that cape on yourself the achievement will feel worthless. Having got some achievements of my own in rs I can tell you they more or less feel just as worthless if you got them fully legit. So save yourself the 5k games and download cheat engine if you want to know how the cape feels. As far as attention goes, you can get 100x more attention from bug abuse then xp. So this is mind I dont dont really know why people want to bot, nor do I care. I care only about the fact that a lot of people choose to do so.

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  14. montychuck, theres people who wont do that and wont quit. Instead of arguing why they ought to follow the rules accept that fact. Anyways to your other point I didn't design real life MMO so dont complain about it, its irrelevant. However Jagex intentionally designed runescape the way they did. Your poor gameplay experience as a result of cheaters is a result of those decisions not the fact that people are cheating. If I made it so that you couldn't gain xp in runescape if anyone was near you and in crowded areas you had to deal with bots being near you, thats not bad on the bots thats bad design by Jagex. Not that I condone bots in this situation but Jagex is ultimately responsible for your negative gameplay experience here.

     

    GreenXen yes you can compare the two. See griefing is a common problem in any multiplayer sandbox. Thats common to the genre this exists in everything from ATITD to Minecraft. Botting is the problem of the grind genre in every game from WoW to Runescape. Its a core problem that is technically impossible to fix (for the most part) in both genres. There is solutions out there as you've mentioned but Jagex is choosing to ignore them and continue showing off the illusion of solving the problem through publicity stunts like this.

  15. Look you miss the point Ghosttalon given that Jagex is technically unable to ever, I repeat ever fix the problem and people are not going to jump through hoops if they dont have to. You aren't obligated to do anything. If you want to bot there is nothing legally or ethically wrong with it, you just accept you have a higher chance of getting banned then non botters. Anyways ghost there were bots in 02, I dont know what world you've been living in there has always been bots, and its always been 10%+ of the community.

     

    If it does affect you its not the fault of the players it is the fault of game design decisions made by Jagex. Again its poor game design decisions that are the cause of your gameplay experience being negatively affected by other players. Its like minecraft griefing, you cant really blame players for griefing on servers when you didn't make it technically impossible not to, sure you can ban them but it will never actually solve problems. That is more or less the state runescape is in with bots.

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