Higothrekk

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts. If you accept that children are '10x' as impressionable, surely they are also much easier to hurt mentally as well, why should we subject them to such a slapdash experiment by this woman, who by the way now exploits money from copycats at seminars and workshops. Okay, ends *don't* justify means cjlh. Just because they learned a good lesson doesn't justify the way they learned it. I could "teach" you that murder was wrong by murdering your sibling, but even though you "learned" a lesson, doesn't make it right! (this is a far fetched example, but it's a parellel) However, whether or not these children were permanently affected by this is completely unproveable so please keep the unbased assumptions to yourself higothrekk. What about their unbased assumption that the children benefited from this in any way other than being degraded?

Children learn 10x more in their first 10 years of life than in the rest of it put together, they will become the adult they were raised like as a child. Telling kids not to do it doesn't work. You're just working in a perfect situation, but in your way there would be no racism already. Telling someone it hurts others feelings is no where near as effective as showing them how badly it hurts. If you accept that children are '10x' as impressionable, surely they are also much easier to hurt mentally as well, why should we subject them to such a slapdash experiment by this woman, who by the way now exploits money from copycats at seminars and workshops.

Their children, To extend your analogy, surely they can't walk in a mans boots. This is not some obscure issue that needs demonstrations, it can surely be explained with logic, as all other subjects are at schools.

Again, your going off in the totally wrong direction, we don't teach our kids about murder by murdering one of them and recording how sad all the others are. We don't teach them about drugs by giving them to them, So why the hell are you suggesting that we teach them about unreasonable discrimination by applying it?!

You've had worse? your teacher while you were young told you were inferior to your classmates and punished you for it, and allowed your classmates to do the same while she/he observed? This is about seeing adults treating children like this as acceptable, if this is acceptable, maybe locking them in rooms for just a couple of days to see what happens is acceptable, maybe injecting them with just a 'little' of this drug is acceptable, maybe whipping them just a 'tiny' bit is acceptable. Once you decide somthing is acceptable, people will again start to push their limits, it's the way their minds work.

Parents choose what they think is best for their children, to have an education, to have loving parents and have good teachers, is somthing that should be standard and has no detrimental effects, telling them their inferior to someone else and bullying them is. Also, if the children know it's a demonstration, surely they don't give a damn, will know they could never be treated that way for long periods and will surely either see the whole thing as a joke or as somthing to be acted along with to please adults. The children do not except in sanitised versions of this abusive experiment for recording, know what is being done to them by adults who obviously care nothing for a childs mental state. Excuse me for not wanting children, potentially one day my children being treated in this way, Caring for our children is obviously somthing that's far removed from your mind.

Ah, you see I didn't understand it was ok to abuse children so long as it was only for 2 days and were being taught respect, I guess those nice innocent people who killed their baby by putting cigarettes out on her for a couple of days were only teaching her not to cry when mommy and daddy were busy gulping down the vodka? How in the name of all that is unholy do you go from a lesson about racism to comparing it to killing a baby by burning holes in it?..................... You were the one advocating abuse to teach so long as it was short term and had some vauge chance to imprint more on children than usual, I was just putting it in a different context. I never advocated abuse. I advocated lessons. She told them from the beginning that it was just an exercise. Context has nothing to do with it. Teaching a child is nothing like killing it... There is no mention anywhere of asking for the permission of the children, and only occasional casual reference to asking a parents consent. Given a choice do you really think these children would ask to be collared and demeaned, or have their impressionable young minds encouraged to bully and taunt other children? Do you really think any kind of real parent would accept some teacher-wannabe-psychologist performing this kind of 'lab-rat' test on their children? Would you?

Ah, you see I didn't understand it was ok to abuse children so long as it was only for 2 days and were being taught respect, I guess those nice innocent people who killed their baby by putting cigarettes out on her for a couple of days were only teaching her not to cry when mommy and daddy were busy gulping down the vodka? How in the name of all that is unholy do you go from a lesson about racism to comparing it to killing a baby by burning holes in it?..................... You were the one advocating abuse to teach so long as it was short term and had some vauge chance to imprint more on children than usual, I was just putting it in a different context.

Ah, you see I didn't understand it was ok to abuse children so long as it was only for 2 days and were being taught respect, I guess those nice innocent people who killed their baby by putting cigarettes out on her for a couple of days were only teaching her not to cry when mommy and daddy were busy gulping down the vodka?

I'm presuming this post is about Jane Elliott, as she was the first to conduct this test that I heard, a more sadistic , revolting and unsuitable teacher could ever be seen teaching in Iowa ever again. She not only told them that a certain group was inferior, she also made the inferior children wear collars. She also advocated not only treating them as inferior but requiring them to serve the 'superior' children in an degrading fashion, or to pretend to be slow of thinking to give the superior children a reason to taunt them. If she left any mark on the MANY abused children that have been subjected to this treatment, it's a wound that can only hurt them more and more, and far from getting this evil woman some serious help and condeming this practice to all future generations of teachers, your claiming this is not only acceptable but has a practical use in society? :roll:

"I murdered to bring about the reincarnation of Satan. It's as simple as that." Henry Lee Lucas Death Row, Texas State Prison "Satanism is everything that human beings don't understand - it's all in their fears...all of what they are not sure of. To me, Satan would be God!" Charles Manson Death Row, California State Prison "Extermination of the weak is what we would like to see. A bloodbath would cleanse this planet of all the pollution that people have caused." Nicholas Schreck Satanic High Priest, Follower of Manson "I murdered so that I would be given 10,000 souls to rule over in hell." Charles Gervais Life Without Parole, Louisiana State Prison "Murder was a sacrifice to prove allegiance to Satan. I had broken all of the ten commandments but murder, so I needed to finish my pact." Sean Sellers Death Row, Oklahoma State Prison Anyone note the last word in the description of the people that gave those quotes? There are more, these are just the ones I could be bothered to dig up. The philospohy of satanism might not be bloodthirsty in itself, however an unquestionably large amount of it's followers and high priests or whatever they call them have proven themselves to be, and people do not follow their religions to the letter, they follow the examples set by those they believe to be more 'enlightened' than them. Satan Bad - God Good

ridiculous, i mean reagen was great, but ted bundy beats him hands down.

I'll be there protesting debt relief and fair trade.

and the g7 or g8 weirdos want america to give more to the useless country.

http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk they have jobs for 16 year olds, their not really where companys advertise for managing directors though ;\