DarkDude

Except any risk which is greater than 75k does not significantly increase your reward. Last I cared to check d scims were 100kish and whips were 1.4mish, right? I seriously doubt that using a whip will get you 14 times as many kills as you would get while using a scimitar, so the risk does not scale in a linear fashion with the reward...Risk >= Reward would be a bit more accurate, I believe. You have a very good point. But wouldn't you agree that a person using an AGS would have a better KO potential than somebody using a whip? Perhaps slightly - however with Smite you could get rid of protect prayer anyway, thus they are risking more. On top of that the whip is a lot quicker too which sort of balances the weapons out.

Because, there is always that slight chance that you will die, weather it be from lag, or some epic combo with dark bow or ags. And yes, complaining does get you somewhere, complaining could make jagex give us protect item back, theres always that slight chance (however rare from a company like jagex) that they will listen to there customers. Who cares if they can use the prayer to have no risk, they earned the 60 mill for the AGS, they should be able to use it in PVP with protect item. Well, you take that slight chance that you might die as soon as you log into a PvP world. The driving factor for PvP worlds has been "danger of losing minimal items if you use your prayers", now it's full out "bring what you will die with". Risk = Rewards, I would think this update made any REAL PKer happy. And let's be honest, clicking the spec bar twice takes no skill, that's not real PKing. As for the complaining, it's annoying, and the reason I hate the RSOF. Jagex doesn't make a big habit out of caring for their customers. But there's no point in risking the extra, there's no benefit from killing someone and them losing their whip you'd still get the same loot regardless. PKing has always been about risking most of your items but being able to protect one, for over 7 years it has been that way, why does it have to change now when there's never been a problem with it before? With protect item on people can still risk more if they want to, there's nothing stopping them from doing so. Everyone is acting like NO ONE risked anything prior to this update which is not true at all.

If someone's standing next to you with his AGS out, eager to spec you, usually people attack them because of their shiny sword. Otherwise, you should be well aware of what's going to happen when your opponent takes a break from attacking you. Melee pray. Run away. Call a friend. Do ANYTHING other than complain about having no chances of survival in that situation. If I'm fighting someone else I have most of my concentration on fighting them and most of the time the "rusher" in this case stands at the edge of the screen out of the way and most of them have protect from melee on, thus no one attacks them. There are a lot of "breaks" during a fight due to the way the combat system works, are you saying I should put protect from melee on and run away every time? No, especially as most of the times when I can be attacked is when I'm close to KOing someone so why should I have to run away. Jagex need to make it that if you've been in combat at all in the last 10 seconds (attacking or attacked another player) then you can't be attacked until after those 10 seconds.

Except it doesn't prevent against AGS attacks which when you're fighting someone else you have no chance to protect against as you'll already be low hp from fighting someone else. So you don't only get "rushed" when out of combat and with an ice spell first. You have no way to prevent that from happening and hope you just have to get lucky.

They didn't have 10m+ weapons back in 06 :shock: metagame is so different from 06 I fail to see how that video holds any relevance. He risked 4.4M every time and he got PJ'd with 11 def all the time. Now we've got people with 99 defence and armor afraid to risk a 1.5M whip lol Not to mention he PK'd with all 3 combat styles... ...and got a kill, dropped food to make room for drops, got PJ'd, and stayed and fought to kill the PJ'er lol There's a very good reason why Mahatma's one of the very few people whom I hold in extremely high regard on this game lol He's not the only one who risks things, you're acting like NO ONE risked things prior to this update. I've PKed numerous times in full dharok and whip skulled etc. but that was my choice to pk with that and my choice to risk that. I shouldn't be forced to risk EVERYTHING. For the first time since PKing has come out we are now being forced to risk everything. Runescape already has an extremely high death penalty both in non-pvp and pvp (although non-pvp isn't anywhere near as bad as it used to be). Getting rid of the ability to protect item doesn't effect the game in any sort of positive way. Just because one person doesn't care what they lose, doesn't mean everyone is the same. people have preferences, not everyone likes the same things and it's stupid Jagex are forcing out about 80% of the PKing population from this one update or making PKing extremely boring for the ones who stay, everyone is always going to try and keep their health at max etc. On top of that Mahatma wasn't even that good :P [hide=Win][/hide]

The difference now is that you risk more with a whip, but you have less worry about 1-itemers with D claws and AGS, and you're bound to get legit kills with potentially good drops since the noobs who are earning EPs with one item worth 76k or more, or even coins, are bound to lose them. I would say that you have even lesser chance of losing your whip than before. The people who rushed before with AGS/Claws etc. kept Protect Melee at all times making them unkillable, this has not changed. If you can't PK any player using protect prayers, then what kind of PKer have you been? Always having honorable, no food no pray fight? If I'm pking with Melee I can't kill people who use protect melee, if I then bring a bow I won't be able to hit them with range and I'll lose food, so I'd have to bring dragonhide which would lose me even more food and make them much more likely to kill me. If I'm in the middle of fighting someone and someone else runs in and specials me when I'm already low health, how is it fair that I should lose a whip? I can't do anything to stop them doing that unless I use protect melee the whole fight.

The difference now is that you risk more with a whip, but you have less worry about 1-itemers with D claws and AGS, and you're bound to get legit kills with potentially good drops since the noobs who are earning EPs with one item worth 76k or more, or even coins, are bound to lose them. I would say that you have even lesser chance of losing your whip than before. The people who rushed before with AGS/Claws etc. kept Protect Melee at all times making them unkillable, this has not changed.

Then remove protect from Melee/Range/Mage prayers too. I already risked 700k+ when I was pking with Whip and most of the time I didn't even pk close to that on each kill. PvP has NEVER been about having to risk everything, people still risked things before this update so that's not going to change for those people. It's pointless making people lose more and will draw people away from proper PvP and just leave rushers and 26kers to rule the worlds.

It doesn't affect "honour" pkers that much. And the trick is useless and almost impossible. What do people gain from me losing my whip now? Nothing. Same with 4 iteming with Dharok, you'd always be risking things anyway so it wasn't effecting the drops the other person got, so people who complained about it obviously didn't understand the system. I honestly don't see what not being able to protect item was meant to achieve? It was ment to put a greater risk into pvp. For what purpose?

It doesn't affect "honour" pkers that much. And the trick is useless and almost impossible. What do people gain from me losing my whip now? Nothing. Same with 4 iteming with Dharok, you'd always be risking things anyway so it wasn't effecting the drops the other person got, so people who complained about it obviously didn't understand the system. I honestly don't see what not being able to protect item was meant to achieve?

Oh well, now PKing is next to impossible the only really fun thing left in the game is now dead :( This update basically only effected proper PKers, 26kers are uneffected as are the morons who rush you in the middle of a fight.

If I'm on a slayer task or whatever and the spot has more people than I deem "too many" there, I'll always hop. I don't want my experience being slowed by having other players take monsters and making me have to move around the area more when there's plenty of other worlds. When I'm using a cannon I do the same, it's slower experience to dump one down on a server with other players so I honestly have no idea why people do it, you're actually slowing your potential XP down, as well as everyone else there too, just so you can seem more "powerful" in a game where no one is going to care about you or what you do.

Managed to get into a Naxx25 group today. They already had done the arachnid quarter and were just starting on The Construct Quarter Cleared all bosses with minimal effort, Patchwerk went fine, died on Grobbulus after having the debuff thing on me and a healer not spotting me :( but I got the shoulders and the trinket from that :D Wiped at Gluth first time as the off-tank DCed, went perfect the second time, got him as he was casting decimate for the 2nd time. Thaddius went well, no trouble at all, being able to blink between the two sides helped a lot. Got the sash from that :) Now have 4 213 epics and only one item that's not 200 (black duskweave legs, 187, made myself). and 4 level 200 ones. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... =Milfamore Still need to run VoA10 this week and hopefully next week can get a full clear of both Naxx10 and Naxx25.

I have no idea =/

Finally get into a Naxx10 group about 1/4 way through. Did the 4 horsemen and had most DPS and got the staff. Then went to the arachnid quarter, first boss there, do most DPS there too. So they kick me from the group =/ Pissed me off so much as now I'm going to have to wait until next week to run it again when I'm obviously geared for it. Hopefully can get into Naxx25 this/next week too.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... =Milfamore Decent evening, got Black War Bear for "For The Horde!" then did Gundrak finally getting level 200 boots, then did VH getting epic bracers, then upgraded my necklace by spending 25 emblems on one =P Really want to get into Naxx10 this week so I can upgrade a lot of the gear then perhaps do Naxx25 as well.

Really? Thought It was only tier 7/8 Anyway, done OS25 today, rolled 95 on a dragon hide bag and got that. Then immediately rolled 95 on tier 7.5 gloves after too. Mwuhahaha, so far I have a 100% win record today =P It's annoying trying to find a pug group for Naxx, they're all saying that you need the achievement for beating it already plus the epic achievement... which is especially stupid for naxx10 which doesn't even give 213 items >_<

Downed both. Wiped 3 times on Emalon but nothing good dropped. Then one shotted the other one.

Done a bit more today, got an epic wand from AN heroc and that's it (only run 3 heroics so far today). Switched to Arcane spec which is helping me lot (2.5k+ DPS now for bosses and 2k average). Made some Black Duskweave trousers, bought a mantle of runecasting I think it's called and then got an epic sash for 40 emblems. Then I did OS10, 3rd highest DPS. Crap loot from the boss however so I got nothing :( Might try running a few more HCs before bed and see if I can get anything else. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... =Milfamore Although it's not working for me atm. Probably going to try OS25 tomorrow to get some more gear and run a few more HCs, then might try and get in a Naxx 10 group. Edit: Ran GunDrak and got a level 200 robe. Then went to VoA25, missed out on Tier 7 legs :( Why can't I roll :(

Items which you can sock tend to have a gem set bonus. To get the bonus you need to place the correct coloured gems in the correct sockets. You usually get some extra +sta or +str. That make sense, I thought the sockets HAD to match up with the gems to work. :lol: Just bought myself some nice shoulders =D, need 7 more Emblems of Heroism for a decent waist item while is the last green I have (other than a trinket). Then just need a decent 1 handed weapon and another 25 emblems of heroism to get the off-hand thing and I think I should just about be ready for at least OS lol.

What? o.O I thought red gems had to go in red sockets... otherwise what's the point of the colours?!?!?!?

There was nothing else useful gem wise so I just stuck that in for something as it didn't cost too much. Given it has spirit I assume I'll get something better more tailored for mages. As for tailoring, think I'm a couple of levels short of being able to create stuff that would actually be usable, but should be able to start making things soon. I've checked the AH for things but there's pretty much nothing in terms of armour or weapons on my server atm, for example the highest level 1 handed sword is in the 50s :?

Been a horrid first day of HCs, nothing too good =/ http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... =Milfamore Ran about 8 HCs today I think, the day started off well with that ring I posted, then did HoL (Normal) and got the gloves + wand. Then CoS which got me that hood which is the best item I got, and Violet Hold for a trinket and the dragon necklace from UK, which is useless as I can already upgrade it with EoH =/ All of the things I got I wasn't challenged for, and all the ones I was challenged on I lost, must be a good 6 rolls I lost today on things I needed :s including 3 in nexus alone. In other HCs just nothing good dropped :( Oh well, always tomorrow.

Dinged 80 about 1 minutes after logging in :wall: Now to run Heroics all day =P Done DTK already, got the ring from the final boss, it's an upgrade to what I had before although it has icky spirit :( Also rolled 100 greed on some rubbish Epic, but it got me an achievement so not complaining :P Hoping to run a good 10 or so heroics today.

Ouch, and that's extended, isn't it? D: Yeah :( JUST had enough rested XP to get it too, so would have only been another 15 kills, ugh!