Satenza

Holy hell, i think if i ever see you i will stop in the street and point!

Can you show me these six verses where Homosexuality is strictly forbidden?

No, i never said you do it deliberatley. I was opening up discussion to whether the quote could be taken as a cultural "command" like God saying to Adam and Eve "Go forth and multiply" doesn't mean every human should do that.

Let's not. The point of the challenge is that you labeled me as someone who would "pick and choose" what is universal and what isn't. Therefore, I want you to find an example of a clearly universal, and clearly cultural rule (clear as in everyone agrees) and show me how they would make more sense reversed. That way, you could prove that I am just "picking and choosing." No I didn't and that was not the purpose of this debate. All i said was that sometimes Gods word is not absolute and does not apply today. Give me an example of a universal command in the Bible that would make more sense as a cultural command. And vice versa. Take into consideration these things: 1. Exact wording 2. Time and place 3. Audience That doesn't say "You pick and choose" at all, that says that sometimes Gods word does not always apply to everyone. Which was the point i was trying to make about homosexuality. Since it's up for debate i was correct. The word abomination, in Hebrew, translates to an act that is perverse. Sexual perversity is something labeled all through out the Bible as sinful. The word abomination in the passage about eating pork translates to mean "disgusting" - not a reference to a sin. And what you translated as "Homosexual offenders" translates to pervets elsewhere. That passage clearly says "do not eat ____" do you rely on certain words that make Gods point more meaningful such as abomination? And if you still wish for another universal command that would make more sense culturally then I shall find one. I didn't fail to respond i thought you would have seen all the others everyone offered. And when i said "i will find a sutible one" i was referring to a cultural one that would make more sense universally. I was happy with the one I had provided.

1. The one that you gave that "makes no sense on a universal level" was not a good example because it's up for debate about it being universal anyway. Lets assume it is universal for the sake of argument then, it doesn't make sense. And it doesn't matter if it's up for debate or not. Why should that matter? How did I not accuratley represent the Hebrew language? Where did I fail to respond? What are you waiting for?

People have already given Bible quotes that would apply in a more cultural context. And I already gave you a Bible quote that makes no sense on a universal level but only to the culture and society it was aimed at.

We live in a world of empiricism, faith is the complete opposite of what we as rational creatures should believe in. Thats my problem with faith, faith is nothing. It makes a belief which has less empirical evidence than myself being God look quite plausiable. When in actual fact if you really think about it. Im willing to bet no faith has the correct interpretation of God and her attributes. We assign God attributes, thats like assigning someone we have never met a personality. It doesn't make sense and the chances you are correct is tiny. I admire all the work religious people do, and how the Bible may possibly help you through life at times. Just don't tell me Genesis is a valid theory for the creation of the universe. Or faith is worth all the suffering that it has created. Or that a reason for anything is "it's written in the Bible".

Anyone who allows or promotes capital punishment of children who are "stubburn" obviously is malicious, unloving, uncaring and unknowing. Doesn't sound like the definition of the Christian God to me. Things like this show us that either the definition of the Christian God is wrong, or the Bible is wrong. The two can not both be correct. If anyone wishes to show me how stoning to death stubburn children is all loving, I would be very grateful.

Of course, law is a neccessary evil. Telling us what to AKA giving us advice is one thing. Making us do something is completley different.

J.S. Mill gives a nice example of telling someone and when that telling infringes upon liberty.

Irrelevant. It says "good Friday" and "Easter Monday" on your calendar, does it not? We celebrate Easter on Good Friday, do you celebrate chocolate day? If not, why do you take the day off work? I don't take the day off work. Then why are you posting on this thread? Don't see what that has to do with it, but i posted to wish eveyone a happy easter. Then i got into a debate and was posting about that. O:) Edit: Arr, my friendly talk has been deleted!

Irrelevant. It says "good Friday" and "Easter Monday" on your calendar, does it not? We celebrate Easter on Good Friday, do you celebrate chocolate day? If not, why do you take the day off work? I don't take the day off work.

It was a Pagan holiday before it was Christian.

That there was no need to mention that there was a differance between blind faith, and faith.

Is that because; Logic > Wishful thinking?

I'm willing to bet Carlin is under 16, brought up in a serverley christian family and attends church and church activites once a weekand attends a christian school.

Continued failure :( For my access to Bubsa's site, and Christianity's want to let everyone know about what they precive to be the "true meaning of easter". And for the failure of people to express the fact that Easter was a pagan holiday that featured a death and a ressurection as well.

OT: Bubs why does your site always fail for me! I click continue from the home page and it never loads :cry:

Guitar really well, i can play. But my fingers are not fast enough for brilliance.

MyPurpleCrayon, what would you do if someone invited you to a Mosque, or wanted to spread the Muslim word of God to you?

its ppl like u that are causing society to forget what all religious holidays are about (holy days gettit?). one of the reasons societys going down the pan, ppl are ignoring there duties to god. "Going down the pan" insinuates society was once at it's most "christian moral" when was the time society was better than it is now. In your point of view.

No eggs in america. It's "candy" bunnies and all that jazz.

I deny that! But happy easter. meh.

By definition, criminals don't necessarily follow the law. Doesn't make a differance, Guns would be a hell of a lot harder to get.

If guns were outlawed then it makes guns a lot harder to get. So your average "I want your TV" robber wont be so equipped as easily to shoot you in the face after you catch them. Reduction of gun crime, reduction of homicides.