Flummbullen

The full post with the reasons: http://forums.sacredtemplars.com/index. ... opic=16499 And I wouldn't draw any conclusions about where people are going yet. It's far too short time to adjust and know exactly where to go.

Finaltank of Gladz asked us for a mini-war. We decided on a short 1 hour prep mini. Gladz total members: 285 Gladz opts to war: ~280 ST total members: 137 ST opts to war: ~280 ST wins with..... 48 opts!!! :XD: The most even fight I've EVER been in! Damn it was close to the very end. It lasted forever. But ST pulled through and won. Gladz, THANK YOU for an awesome fight! :-D Now, I've heard some stuff about returners and runners, but give pics to your leaders and do not post it here. We don't need a flame war. Video by Jamiejams: http://rapidshare.de/files/13101590/STvsGladz.wmv.html Video by Alpr: http://rapidshare.de/files/13062185/St_vs_...z_Mini.wmv.html http://files.filefront.com/St_vs_Gladz_Min...;/fileinfo.html Some pics:

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froggy ftw - its all over - good fight bk - just wanted to add the definition for those wanting to learn ;) "The Latin abbreviation i.e., which stands for id est, means that is, that is to say, or in other words. The letters e.g. stand for the Latin phrase exempli gratia, which means for example." You made me look it up a bit. :P

Today ST and BK had a war. (Yeah as you didn't know allready :suspect: ) I haven't seen any signs of cheating from either side, which is great. It seemed to be a very fair war. :-) First of all I'd like to thank BK for accpeting the war, ST had a BLAST. If you (doubtful) have any proof of ST members cheating, PM me and I'll personally kick them. But lets not see any baseless flaming... BK started with 300 (or just above) opts (according to BK leaders). ST started with around 360 opts. BK ended with 0 opts ( :$ ). ST ended with 276 opts (with some noobs in pile): personally, I SURVIVED!!!! B-) And that earned me 250k from a bet lol. It was close though, 911 Blue had a good pile on me, and I got out of it with about 50 hp no food left. A ST member (Rune Richie) gave me a few swordies and I was back in the game. Managed to find a food pile, and then I was really back. :-P Got one kill (while on no food :-P ): Video by Alpr1010: http://rapidshare.de/files/12060116/St_ ... r.wmv.html .com/d.aspx?id=19S6IR09XPMF02OGVNUCIYBE0X]http://s61.[ForbiddenSite].com/d.aspx?id=19S6 ... VNUCIYBE0X ST before the war... ST waiting for BK: Bk starts the charge: Thanks again BK. :-)

BK actually had wars where rules where only lvl 105+ was allowed as i recall :wink: Sorry then, change it to the majority of wars. Or all wars other than the ones BK has been in, I've never heard of a single war where it has been used other than ones you've been in. Thats what you would like huh? some quick rep so you can go "Omgzor n00bz sared of us they declined lololololol!!1 we own j00 n00bz!!!" seems what you want really.. What we really want is a fair war, and a fun one. But if you had felt you weren't ready, you could have declined and we'd have accepted that. :)

I love you too, honey. What exactly do you base these claims of my stupidity on? That you can't back up your statements on where I got my information abotu how many members you have? Is it because you can't prove that I made some sort of post into a poll, because I never did? Sorry, but you're full fo trash-talk and nothing to back it up with. Why use an example that is far from true? It didn't prove your point at all. You asked what clans stopepd their juniors from graduating from wars. The answer was pretty much all clans except BK. But you used an untrue (and stupid) exampel that isn't even true. Speculations and nothing more. We've been fine for over 5 months without a war, we could easiyl take another 2 months of it. When you can back that statement up, bring it back up. Seems to me you don't quite want to end it. What? You mean that when I show you (and the public) that you can't even back up your claims, then it's me that annoys you and you threaten me for it? Allow me to laugh out loud. Sorry to say, but bring it on. Why shouldn't I prove how wrong you are? Guess you missed Yama's stunt about finding out what times we couldn't do and then "accepting" with those times only. She staretd it, and I just let out the rest of the truth. But hey, if you think it was right, good for you. :lol: Will what? I'm quite annoyed at your attitude, false accusations and most likely empty threats. Doesn't mean I'll act like you are now. I'll use perfect English when you can talk and write Swedish fluently, okay mate? Besides, it's spelt grammar, not grammer. ;)

I asume you mean I.E. as that is what you said in the first post you put it. Anyway, it means "In effect", or possibly in this case also "In essence" (source: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.a ... &Find=Find ). And as 'The' obviously doesn't do it that way, why use it as an "example"? The only clan I've ever heard to demand it that way is BK... I checked through my topics on RSC, couldn't see a single one as a poll. So please, I ask you, link me to it and prove that one, as I can't find it. Wish you would have just said that from the start rather than pull out some lies abotu where I based my statement about your member amount on or about how 'The' stops TF members from graduating. (And, untill I've seen it myself, how I've made soem topic into a poll?) Or for that matter if BK wanted to bring Cadets or not. All these lies makes me feel like you're only trying to make me look bad, but I'm afraid they might have the reversed effect when proved wrong. :s I'd want nothing more to just forget about this discussion and have a great war, but I wont stand lies being said to/about me. =/ Good luck at the war.

BK's dealing with their older members is up to BK. If you decide to leave the older but lower leveled people on your memberslist and as a full clanmember rather than just a clan-friend that can't come to wars or so, that's up to you. But when people use that memberslist, don't complain as you decided how to do it. As for your information, we have several members that don't play RS anymore other than for the occasional ST event. But if they're in any way allowed to participate, they'll also be on the memberslist. That's how we do it. The Flummbullen: When 'The' closes applications for wars, they clsoe TF's graduating too right? (So when apps are closed for a war, TFs reachign the requirements wont graduate till after the war, right? LthlAxe: ya, TF don't graduate during war. LthlAxe = Lethal Axe = TF Leader. So you're wrong, TF members doesn't graduate when 'The' have applications closed for a war. Neither did ZFE members graduate when ZF had applications closed for a war (back when they were still around). Seems quite clear to me. :) Please link me to a post I've made into a poll. :) I've never made a poll, ever, here nor on RSC. The so called "smart remarks" on BK boards I guess were about the two applicants for BK that applied after war was accepted and they were accepted? Why evven bring that up when ST and BK leaders are done about it allready. But if you want to bring it up that you accepted two people after applications were supposed to be closed, go ahead, lol. Fair enough, everyne have their own definition of several. Who said anything about insulting? Just thought that as you spent so much time on trying to make a point (though I really don't get the point as the things you say in so many cases isn't true, at all), you might want to use proper words. Makes it look so much better. And I'm using (well, to the best of my ability being I'm not born/living in an English-speaking country) the language known as English. I'm not aware that the correct spelling of words change depending on where you use them. The so called "Internet-terms" are mostly used by people that are too lazy to use proper spelling.

What I know official big wars don't have level caps. I've never seen or been in one, and I've been in at least 4 big wars before. Clans have different requirements, face it. You wanted either us to have much fewer or you to have several extra fighters (from cadets). So yes BK wanted to bring Cadets (though calling it a level cap but pretty much same effect). Calling it a level cap doesn't make it any different when the effect is the same. And please, I'm not trying to insult you. Just trying to explain what you don't seem to understand. Oh and how come you didn't reply to the point about you outnumbering us and from where that was based? I was right?! You don't say. On the sidenote, I had no idea BK had only had apps open for 3 days. But you guys could have declined with that reason if you wanted. So obviously it wasn't that important. And ST had apps closed through all of december. And those 30 people you say aren't really 30 as many get declined in the trial. Please look up a few things before replying, such as how please is spelled (hint: not 'plz').

You bet BK wanted to bring Cadets. All Cadets that are the same level (or above) as our lowest level did they want to allow. (Or all our people below 108 combat can't come lol, which is bs.) And sorry, but the fact that you have more members is a fact and wasn't based on on some thing on RSC. Check the memberslists on RSClans. I asked a BK leader (Niner) to make sure it was updated, and when he had done that you had 175 members on it. At the time we had 163 members (Now down to 155 due to several initiates being declined). So unless you had a mass-leave since then you still outnumber us and still wanted those 30+ extra there. So please, get your facts and story straight for once. Btw, are you a BK leader? If no, should you really make such statements when no BK leader does? If yes, lol, work on the communication among your leaders.

In more modern "history" it's considered an unlucky day. Maybe an unlucky decision for BK to accept? :P :P

BK has accepted. :) Tehy wanted to bring their cadets, but we've compromised and they'll be able to bring up to 10 Cadets that have graduated by the war date... This should be fun. :)

If they're not ready they can say so. Don't see why anyone else should say it for them. :? And as it seems BK are accepting, so obviously they feel ready for a war and thus your statement has no point. :?

Yah. :oops:

Clan name: Sacred Templars Clan website: http://forums.sacredtemplars.com Clan leaders: Flummbullen & Hurtbullen are main leaders F2p clan cape: Purple P2p clan cape: Team - #23 Number of Members: Memberslist Average hitpoint and combat level: See the memberslist above. Type of clan (skill or pk): Both (mainly PK). Recent War Record: Check Here

My list (and I try not to base my list solely on PKs, Wars, Mini-wars, stats on paper or such, but on a combination, some from my own experience): 1. Di - Their never-ending spirit not to give up in run-ins in wild is impressive to me. They win most 1on1 run-ins they're in. 2. Gladz - I'd like to see you PK more along and not with SA so often. 3. DS - Where did you guys go? Heard something about P2P... 4. SA - I'd like to see you PK more along and not with Gladz so often. 5. RSD - I'd loveto see you in a war with someone in the top 5-6. ;-) 6. 'The' - Hold quite a bit of respect for 'The'. Combined with TF they have both numbers and levels, and good organization. 7. Anarchy - Foughtyou twice I think (Not countign when you go with your whole alliance, which btw I think you should leave, you're able to stand onyour own legs), won one each. 8. BK - Has lost alot of touch recently, hopefully will rise again. 9. Exer - As Anarchy, I think you should skip GA, you're able to stand on your own. 10. FoM - Last I heard about you guys was the P2P war with TRWF, except for our fight with you in the Clan Tourny (which we won :-P ). 11. TRWF - Has been doing great in the Clan Tourny, go get back into war, warhungers. ;) 12. MK - Go get a war. :$ 13. Corr - Seem to be doign good in PKs and mini-wars what I hear. 14. LF - All from one timezone, really good with that amount of members. 15. DoA? - Never hear anything from you gusy really, maybe because you're P2P and well it's quite dead... 16. DE? - Updated your memberslist, it's far from the same list that's on your site. 17. WG - Only numbers get you hear. Try and get a solo-war, would be nice to see what you can do on your own against a clan after the war with Fear vs 'The'. 18. TF - A junior clan can't have much levels, but for a junior clan TF has levels. Plus a good amount of members and decent/good organization in wild. Would love to see a war between you and Phobia after you get some war-experience. 19. Phobia - Only numbers really, no levels at all. Butthen Fear's requirements aren't very high, so can't get very high levels either. (Though I sometimes wonder who's the main clan...) Don't know about your organization. Would love to see a war between you and TF after TF get some war-experience. 20. EoS - As your Wraiths/Junior-applications are closed, I assume you have 30 of them, so slightly over 130 members in total. I'd suggest adding your Wraiths to the memberslist too, so that we can see your real strength on paper. 21. ST - Out of those that rate us even with no wars, I think this is the lowest spot we'e had lol. :$ But I wont put us higher than here for now till we've warred other clans above. 22. Nemesis - :wub: Excellent organization. I'd love if you would have been more US/Euro based than you are. :-P 23. RR - Declined war from ST. =/ 24. Awaken - Good luck in the war vs RR if you accept. 25. Titans - How's it going for you these days? Get back in the fray! 26. Mori - Haven't heard from you guys in a long time now. :s 27. Fear - Having a tough time, try and pull out of it.

When did exer beat 'the'? i never saw that. + where is tmrd? and Imo Awaken is better fear.. TF > DE By even putting for example RSD on it don't you think I might base it on more than just wars...? TMRD I can admitt I forgot. Maybe they'd go somewhere in the top 15-20. And "Imo" is exactly the point. That's your opinion, this is mine (or something close to it). While Awakens levels and organization is good, Fear I think could take them due to shear numbers.

1. DS 2. DI 3. BK 4. Gladz 5. RSD 6. Exer 7. 'The' 8. Anarchy 9. Corr 10. Fom 11. TRWF 12. MK 13. Titans 14. DoA 15. RR 16. DE 17. TF 18. Mori 19. WG 20. LF 21. Fear 22. ST/DR 24. EoS 25. Awaken

We (as in ST) are no way in the top 10, at least not yet. ;) First of all I dobut those orange capers on that PK trip were TD, probably some other clan, their levels seemed too low to be TD. And a PK run-in with any clan doesn't give us theright to claim a top 10 rank. ;) But thanks for the compliment though. :P

1. Di 2. ZF 3. Gladz 4. TD 5. BK 6. TRWF 7. MK 8. 'the' 9. DS 10. RR

1. Di 2. ZF/Gladz 4. TD 5. BK 6. TRWF 7. MK 8. Anrchy 9. 'The' 10. Jagz

No one was killed as we walked up to gds, except all the low levels battling around us of course. He was killed during the war, and came back to the war. Seems simple to me. If you look at ZF ublic forums you can see a post by urban himself, and there he says he went back, not that he got killed on the way there. He also says he had retaliate off and never attacked anyone, ie no skull. But yet in the pile with him dead there's a rune plate. I'm not sure if you should believe what he tells you, he seems to change his story alot. (The post: http://www.zeonic-force.com/forums/inde ... opic=12927 ) i find your arguements to be made up of half rumours and bs and from all your posting i have found you to be immature. he was killed before the war. he apologiezed if he casued any probs but when he coming back zf had not attacked di. so some can argue that the war has not started yet so its grey. also i like how you like to stir stuff up on boards flum, i suggest you look into stuff before you post since you been making yourself look like an idoit. How are you so sure he died before the war? The skull, the level 44 wilderness, the time plus the fact that we didn't meet any Di on our way up to the war says otherwise?

No one was killed as we walked up to gds, except all the low levels battling around us of course. He was killed during the war, and came back to the war. Seems simple to me. If you look at ZF ublic forums you can see a post by urban himself, and there he says he went back, not that he got killed on the way there. He also says he had retaliate off and never attacked anyone, ie no skull. But yet in the pile with him dead there's a rune plate. I'm not sure if you should believe what he tells you, he seems to change his story alot. (The post: http://www.zeonic-force.com/forums/inde ... opic=12927 )