Anyone that have put alot of time on their account and knows that Jagex made a misstake would most likely never rest until they get their account back. I know I would do everything I could to get my account back if I was wrongfully banned. Macroers would never take the time to get their account back as they are too lazy to even play the game. So giving them a chance to appeal would just be too easy for their lazy [wagon] to waste Jagex staff time once again. Instead, as someone else suggested earlier in this thread, make the appeal system harder or more time consuming for the user. Make it so you can't just Copy-Paste and click Appeal. A guilty man will give up after some time, an innocent man will go though hell to prove his innocence. Of course, it's different from human to human. But how much information on their site do they have? Email address? Telephone Number? Mailing address? Sure, they could make a new account, get either the exp or pay to become members to access the forums and plead their case, but it is just a game. Older players, after a while, will just give up, realizing that if a company will ban them without any proof or chance to appeal, they shouldn't be giving them time or money in the first place. I see what you mean and when I think about it, even though people love thier account so much those thoughts would eventually come up and they would give up but I still think that making the appeal system a bit more time consuming or somehow "harder" would probably help Jagex and the legit players as Jagex wouldn't get as many appeals as they would get with their "Copy-Paste" system. If they are not going to let anyone appeal, we should come with suggestions to improve it that way we can give Jagex a reason to let us appeal and a good suggestion to how. I don't think they look at every case. They maybe have a detection system for each different kinds of bots. I don't mean detection system for each bot that exists, but for each kind of bot. Or there is a bot out there that is used by a majority of the macroers, this way Jagex detection system could detect and ban anyone using that bot without any human having to look at it. I don't think all these thousand's of macroers make their own sofisticated bots, in fact there are most likely a select few that does that. Most of them just download whatever they can find on the internet.