Rule 2 Change: Should Luring be alloud?

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

 

 

 

When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking.

 

 

 

I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing.

 

 

 

I was not talking about you. The person being lured does not expect that, and therefore will not take food, armour, or weapons like a PKer or Staker would and like you obviously do because a normal trade does not require body armour. As for the part about not being able to recognize a lure, people do not want to have to spend their time watching for someone trying to take their money instead of trading peacefully and continuing the way they have been.

 

 

 

You actually believe I look for people trying to lure me? I DO train my skills I DO PK, I DO quests, I DO stake. I have much better things to do then wait for someone to attempt to lure me. My point was all it requires is basic common sense. You know, the kind that most 10 Year Olds have.

[Macmaster92]

Good job Jagex. =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I myself have never been lured but it does seem wrong to me. I don't think this will stop people from doing it though. Sadly...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now if only they can fix that dungeon house glitch.

[Mordendravid]

Lakitsym your whole premise seems to be "well I didn't force them into the wildy, they chose to go, and there are signs warning them". Actually, they didn't 'choose' to go there they were enticed there under false pretenses - normally with the intention of buying something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is entirely different from the dangers of entering the wildy with the intention of pk'ing. In the latter example a player does opt to enter the wilderness, with the knowledge that they may be killed in doing so. Therefore they dress accordingly and take what the judge that they can afford to lose, along with suitable means to defend themselves. A player mistakenly entering the wilderness with the intention to buy something (usually expensive) is unlikely to be prepared to fight back, and is likely to be carrying items that they would never take into the wildy knowingly (e.g. cash/rares etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore it's a con or a scam and should have been outlawed a long time ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My sole concession to the above statement is that admittedly it is difficult to police.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The argument that if a player is dumb enough to fall for a lure that's his/her problem and that's just the way of the world is very much akin to the sort of justifications that real life criminals provide to explain their failings of morality - and doesn't make these real life examples any less illegal. Like it or not Runescape is an online society and any society lacking some form of regulation is likely to disintegrate to the point of anarchy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally I play this game to relax. I don't want to spend my entire time concentrating to avoid the possibility of being cheated out of items/cash that I worked hard to obtain.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

Good job Jagex. =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now if only they can fix that dungeon house glitch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read the first page buddy. I said don't post this crap only constructive posts. And the Jojo lure is still unbannable since your not forcing anyone into the wild.

[wakka102]

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back.

[Azurechaos]

 

Well. I'll have my say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care by what means you try to justify yourself by when you lure. It's still despicable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #1: "Their fault for being dumb"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They weren't being dumb. They were being trusting. This is what lurers prey on. People who haven't been scarred by people taking advantage of them tend to be more flexible in a transaction. I remember the first time I amlost got lured. I was trying to buy an easter egg because my membership was running out, and I was going to take a hiatus. I posted a thread on the official forums, and was offered not 1 easter egg, but 2 by someone. I gladly accepted to meet in Varrock. After I was in the Varrock Bank, he informed me he was up north killing bears. Well, needless to say, I was more than happy to go to him, so I withdrew my cash and went up. As soon as I got close to him, that warning message popped up. It saved me. I decided to stay for a while longer to see if it was possible that I was being paranoid, but as soon as I clicked "follow", he started reading a book. After a second, he took off like a rocket into the wildy, with me in tow. Soon as that happened, a person with ancients that was my exact level logged on and I teleported. From then on, I am wary of most everyone PMing to buy/sell stuff.

Do you always trust complete strangers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #2: "They have that item, so I should have it too."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This may sound unbelieveably childish to most, but I have heard people say this on Runescape Communities Luring forums. Now, this one should be easy to answer. WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE A CLAIM ON AN ITEM SOMEONE ELSE WORKED HARD TO GET? What makes someone even get that idea? It's sick. Suppose the tables were turned. Suppose you had just worked on Runecrafting for about 8 months just to afford those 3 pretty paper hats? As your thread on the forums fills up with people trying to sell them to you, someone offers it at a reasonable price. You decide to go with him, as everyone else watch somewhat outrageous prices. You meet him in Edgeville to collect the item of your RS career, and you meet the guy by the Monestery, trusting him when he says he's just restoring prayer. As you walk back to the bank, you notice you're in level 1 wild. Almost as soon as you notice that, you're tb, entangled and already have 3 DDS specs on you. As you stuggle to comprehend the time you've lost as you fall, you just log out. Never to log on again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's all I say for now. I'm getting mad at myself just trying to think like a lurer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you lure, you deserve a ban.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never said that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Was I ever saying anything directly to you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my opinion in general. :roll:

[murgatroid99]

 

 

 

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

 

 

 

When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking.

 

 

 

I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing.

 

 

 

I was not talking about you. The person being lured does not expect that, and therefore will not take food, armour, or weapons like a PKer or Staker would and like you obviously do because a normal trade does not require body armour. As for the part about not being able to recognize a lure, people do not want to have to spend their time watching for someone trying to take their money instead of trading peacefully and continuing the way they have been.

 

 

 

You actually believe I look for people trying to lure me? I DO train my skills I DO PK, I DO quests, I DO stake. I have much better things to do then wait for someone to attempt to lure me. My point was all it requires is basic common sense. You know, the kind that most 10 Year Olds have.

 

 

 

You seem to have again misunderstood me. If you go on the trade boards looking for something, and somebody offers it for less than everybody else, you as a lurer may see it as a lure or a scam, but most people would see a good deal, not somebody trying to cheat them out of their money. You may point out that everybody knows the old saying "If it's too good to be true, it probably is", but a lurer could "offer" an item for 100gp less and it would still be the lowest offer and the cheapest way to get the item. If the lurer is in edgeville, it would only take a little "I need to do something else first" along with the person's fear that they may lose a good trade to get them into the wilderness. Even when players go into the wilderness, they probably would still trust that the lurer has good intentions. One other thing is that the wilderness sign only comes up once every login (as far as I know), so people might not even know that they are near the Wilderness.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back.

That was more of a post to get him to be more direct with his opinion. And again. As I've said to you what? Four times? They pretty much lure themselves. I don't force anyone into the Wilderness. The only way I can enjoy the game is to prey off of stupid people? That's only one of the many things I do to enjoy the game. I play Castle Wars, a lot. I PK and Stake, a lot. I train my skills constantly I do multiple Quests, I literaully do nothing but stand in Edgeville bank and talk to my friends and the usual people who are there. And Wakka, I'm aware you hate me for my views so stop posting that your wasting your breath.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

 

 

 

When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking.

 

 

 

I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing.

 

 

 

I was not talking about you. The person being lured does not expect that, and therefore will not take food, armour, or weapons like a PKer or Staker would and like you obviously do because a normal trade does not require body armour. As for the part about not being able to recognize a lure, people do not want to have to spend their time watching for someone trying to take their money instead of trading peacefully and continuing the way they have been.

 

 

 

You actually believe I look for people trying to lure me? I DO train my skills I DO PK, I DO quests, I DO stake. I have much better things to do then wait for someone to attempt to lure me. My point was all it requires is basic common sense. You know, the kind that most 10 Year Olds have.

 

 

 

You seem to have again misunderstood me. If you go on the trade boards looking for something, and somebody offers it for less than everybody else, you as a lurer may see it as a lure or a scam, but most people would see a good deal, not somebody trying to cheat them out of their money. You may point out that everybody knows the old saying "If it's too good to be true, it probably is", but a lurer could "offer" an item for 100gp less and it would still be the lowest offer and the cheapest way to get the item. If the lurer is in edgeville, it would only take a little "I need to do something else first" along with the person's fear that they may lose a good trade to get them into the wilderness. Even when players go into the wilderness, they probably would still trust that the lurer has good intentions. One other thing is that the wilderness sign only comes up once every login (as far as I know), so people might not even know that they are near the Wilderness.

If the price is drastically lower(e.g selling something multiple millions under-priced) I would be suspicious. Most people would be. They tell me to go to Varrock or Edgeville? Sure! But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of it being a lure until they insisted I come to a place I know is a for-sure lure.

[DRUMINATOR17]

 

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back.

That was more of a post to get him to be more direct with his opinion. And again. As I've said to you what? Four times? They pretty much lure themselves. I don't force anyone into the Wilderness. The only way I can enjoy the game is to prey off of stupid people? That's only one of the many things I do to enjoy the game. I play Castle Wars, a lot. I PK and Stake, a lot. I train my skills constantly I do multiple Quests, I literaully do nothing but stand in Edgeville bank and talk to my friends and the usual people who are there. And Wakka, I'm aware you hate me for my views so stop posting that your wasting your breath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes wakka there really is no need for anyone here to continue wasting their time with this topic, afterall whats the point if rose, wont even take the time to read a post muchless reply with logic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some People on here like free easy posts to up there post count and rose is obviously this kind of person :roll: I mean if this wasnt the case then maybe he she it whatever would read peoples posts and reply accordingly :roll:

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back.

That was more of a post to get him to be more direct with his opinion. And again. As I've said to you what? Four times? They pretty much lure themselves. I don't force anyone into the Wilderness. The only way I can enjoy the game is to prey off of stupid people? That's only one of the many things I do to enjoy the game. I play Castle Wars, a lot. I PK and Stake, a lot. I train my skills constantly I do multiple Quests, I literaully do nothing but stand in Edgeville bank and talk to my friends and the usual people who are there. And Wakka, I'm aware you hate me for my views so stop posting that your wasting your breath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes wakka there really is no need for anyone here to continue wasting their time with this topic, afterall whats the point if rose, wont even take the time to read a post muchless reply with logic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some People on here like free easy posts to up there post count and rose is obviously this kind of person :roll: I mean if this wasnt the case then maybe he she it whatever would read peoples posts and reply accordingly :roll:

Muchless reply with logic? You have to be kidding me! I'm waiting for someone to say something which I haven't repeated 4-5 Times. Yes. I have nothing more to do with my life then hope to gain Post Count on a forum for a game.

[DRUMINATOR17]

 

 

 

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

There is a difference between doing the legitimately and doing taking items from people and lying to take items from people. Honestly, I can't see how anybody can form an argument against luring. Do people of today really have that warped of a view on morality? That its ok, in anything, game or not, to lie and cheat people out of stuff? It's fine if you wanna argue you're silly little "loop holes" in the rules but its just wrong and really sad that the only way you can enjoy this game is to prey off other players who may not know the situation they are getting into. You should be ashamed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm done with this topic, this argument is pointless as nobody is going to change there minds about anything so I'm wasting a good Thursday afternoon arguing over a rule change. If people still choose to lure thats fine, but don't cry if you get banned and I won't be stupid enough to fall for it so it's no skin off my back.

That was more of a post to get him to be more direct with his opinion. And again. As I've said to you what? Four times? They pretty much lure themselves. I don't force anyone into the Wilderness. The only way I can enjoy the game is to prey off of stupid people? That's only one of the many things I do to enjoy the game. I play Castle Wars, a lot. I PK and Stake, a lot. I train my skills constantly I do multiple Quests, I literaully do nothing but stand in Edgeville bank and talk to my friends and the usual people who are there. And Wakka, I'm aware you hate me for my views so stop posting that your wasting your breath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes wakka there really is no need for anyone here to continue wasting their time with this topic, afterall whats the point if rose, wont even take the time to read a post muchless reply with logic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some People on here like free easy posts to up there post count and rose is obviously this kind of person :roll: I mean if this wasnt the case then maybe he she it whatever would read peoples posts and reply accordingly :roll:

Muchless reply with logic? You have to be kidding me! I'm waiting for someone to say something which I haven't repeated 4-5 Times. Yes. I have nothing more to do with my life then hope to gain Post Count on a forum for a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see this now otherwise you would have realized you have yet to answer the question i posed to you way back when at the beginning of this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what the freak are you going to do now that lurering is a bannable offence?

[Lakitsym_Rose]

I see this now otherwise you would have realized you have yet to answer the question i posed to you way back when at the beginning of this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what the freak are you going to do now that lurering is a bannable offence?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:12 pm

 

 

 

 

What will you know do since luring has been "banned"? Will you change your ways or continue to play in the same fashion that you did but a day before this update?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've made around 60M Staking since I got hacked, and then I had 220M Cash, and two Party Hats, Red and White. Roughly 500M? Which I made from staking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

[user1991]

I'd just like to back up rose here with some points by saying that, the jojo3000 lure (not many people on tipit fully understand it, as tipit isnt a pro luring forum) is when you say, for whatever reason, youve decided to have a drop party at the jolly boar inn. - Thats the lie. Then you say, Ill drop some cash etc, but you drop it just inside level 1. They run in, and bam they get killed by your killer who's off the map.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its a lot more complex but really thats generally how it goes. Im not trying to say luring isn't scamming cause, technically it is. I can see why Jagex banned it, and I understand why this is now the case. I just have a problem with luring being compared to trade scamming or something similar. Sure, the principle is the same (lying) but luring is a whole lot harder, and I wish people would recognize that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not going to try and argue about how certain lures may still be legal, via careful loopholing of the wording of the rule, because Jagex dont care. If they think youve broken the rule, regardless of however careful you were to avoid it, they will blackmark OR ban you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to someone else who asked earlier, now luring is against the rules, I think im gonna make a staker, or get 99 hunter.

[DRUMINATOR17]

 

I see this now otherwise you would have realized you have yet to answer the question i posed to you way back when at the beginning of this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what the freak are you going to do now that lurering is a bannable offence?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:12 pm

 

 

 

 

What will you know do since luring has been "banned"? Will you change your ways or continue to play in the same fashion that you did but a day before this update?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've made around 60M Staking since I got hacked, and then I had 220M Cash, and two Party Hats, Red and White. Roughly 500M? Which I made from staking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

okie dokie...maybe with your third response you can perhaps find enough spare intelligence laying around to properly answer this question, since i obviously have to further break it down for you becuase you have still yet to answer it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see that you have had som luck in the duel ring and have made some money, yes i do see that, youknow how i see it? Becuase i actually read that the first time you posted it back on page one which is why i asked about it this second time on page 5 becuase you never answered me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So for simple and obviously quite unintelligent people like yourself....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WILL YOU STILL CONTINUE TO KEEP LURERING PEOPLE????

[user1991]

^ I think that's quite unfair to call him "unintelligent" He's obviously a smart guy, smarter than you evidently. Your lack of capital letters, punctuation, and the usage of the word "lurering," leads me to believe that you sir, are a hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you disagree with the way he plays/played rs, please, say that, and don't call him dumb or stupid.

[DRUMINATOR17]

I'd just like to back up rose here with some points by saying that, the jojo3000 lure (not many people on tipit fully understand it, as tipit isnt a pro luring forum) is when you say, for whatever reason, youve decided to have a drop party at the jolly boar inn. - Thats the lie. Then you say, Ill drop some cash etc, but you drop it just inside level 1. They run in, and bam they get killed by your killer who's off the map.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its a lot more complex but really thats generally how it goes. Im not trying to say luring isn't scamming cause, technically it is. I can see why Jagex banned it, and I understand why this is now the case. I just have a problem with luring being compared to trade scamming or something similar. Sure, the principle is the same (lying) but luring is a whole lot harder, and I wish people would recognize that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not going to try and argue about how certain lures may still be legal, via careful loopholing of the wording of the rule, because Jagex dont care. If they think youve broken the rule, regardless of however careful you were to avoid it, they will blackmark OR ban you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to someone else who asked earlier, now luring is against the rules, I think im gonna make a staker, or get 99 hunter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not saying that lurering is an easy feat to do by any means...infact i never will either...as alot of it is luck based to find someone that stupid to lure no matter how good of a lier you are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was me that asked earlier by the way, which is all im asking or rose yet i cant get that simply answer from him / her.

 

 

 

Its really just that simple rose

[Phyrexial]

Lakitsym your whole premise seems to be "well I didn't force them into the wildy, they chose to go, and there are signs warning them". Actually, they didn't 'choose' to go there they were enticed there under false pretenses - normally with the intention of buying something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is entirely different from the dangers of entering the wildy with the intention of pk'ing. In the latter example a player does opt to enter the wilderness, with the knowledge that they may be killed in doing so. Therefore they dress accordingly and take what the judge that they can afford to lose, along with suitable means to defend themselves. A player mistakenly entering the wilderness with the intention to buy something (usually expensive) is unlikely to be prepared to fight back, and is likely to be carrying items that they would never take into the wildy knowingly (e.g. cash/rares etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore it's a con or a scam and should have been outlawed a long time ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My sole concession to the above statement is that admittedly it is difficult to police.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The argument that if a player is dumb enough to fall for a lure that's his/her problem and that's just the way of the world is very much akin to the sort of justifications that real life criminals provide to explain their failings of morality - and doesn't make these real life examples any less illegal. Like it or not Runescape is an online society and any society lacking some form of regulation is likely to disintegrate to the point of anarchy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally I play this game to relax. I don't want to spend my entire time concentrating to avoid the possibility of being cheated out of items/cash that I worked hard to obtain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You might not know this but, he actually isn't breaking any rules he asks to trade somebody he usually has the items he shows them, and there is 100k cash outside of the signs near the wildy the stupid person will then run outside wildy get entangled tbed barraged then speced and basically die instantly, he never broke any rules as the person ran to grab the cash before the transaction was actually made, he didn't force him or ask to trade outside the wildy or anything he asked him to trade near it which also doesn't break any rules it's slimey, but it is a loophole where he is luring but isn't breaking any rules it doesn't matter what anybody says there is always a loophole and until it is fixed people will still abuse it.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

I see this now otherwise you would have realized you have yet to answer the question i posed to you way back when at the beginning of this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what the freak are you going to do now that lurering is a bannable offence?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:12 pm

 

 

 

 

What will you know do since luring has been "banned"? Will you change your ways or continue to play in the same fashion that you did but a day before this update?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've made around 60M Staking since I got hacked, and then I had 220M Cash, and two Party Hats, Red and White. Roughly 500M? Which I made from staking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

okie dokie...maybe with your third response you can perhaps find enough spare intelligence laying around to properly answer this question, since i obviously have to further break it down for you becuase you have still yet to answer it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see that you have had som luck in the duel ring and have made some money, yes i do see that, youknow how i see it? Becuase i actually read that the first time you posted it back on page one which is why i asked about it this second time on page 5 becuase you never answered me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So for simple and obviously quite unintelligent people like yourself....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WILL YOU STILL CONTINUE TO KEEP LURERING PEOPLE????

I see. I misunderstood your question. Most likely not.

 

 

 

But instead of insulting my intelligence you could have just reposted telling me I misunderstood your question which was obvious.

[Azurechaos]

^ I think that's quite unfair to call him "unintelligent" He's obviously a smart guy, smarter than you evidently. Your lack of capital letters, punctuation, and the usage of the word "lurering," leads me to believe that you sir, are a hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you disagree with the way he plays/played rs, please, say that, and don't call him dumb or stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

High-five on calling someone dumb while telling him to not call people dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, that guy keeps dodging his question like some kind of a pro polititian.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

^ I think that's quite unfair to call him "unintelligent" He's obviously a smart guy, smarter than you evidently. Your lack of capital letters, punctuation, and the usage of the word "lurering," leads me to believe that you sir, are a hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you disagree with the way he plays/played rs, please, say that, and don't call him dumb or stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

High-five on calling someone dumb while telling him to no call people dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, that guy keeps dodging his question like some kind of a pro polititian

First of all he didn't say not to call people dumb. Second of all I wasn't dodging the question I clearly stated I misunderstood his question then answered it. Instead of just reposting saying I must have misunderstood his question he flames me and insults my intelligence.

[Azurechaos]

 

 

^ I think that's quite unfair to call him "unintelligent" He's obviously a smart guy, smarter than you evidently. Your lack of capital letters, punctuation, and the usage of the word "lurering," leads me to believe that you sir, are a hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you disagree with the way he plays/played rs, please, say that, and don't call him dumb or stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

High-five on calling someone dumb while telling him to no call people dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, that guy keeps dodging his question like some kind of a pro polititian

First of all he didn't say not to call people dumb. Second of all I wasn't dodging the question I clearly stated I misunderstood his question then answered it. Instead of just reposting saying I must have misunderstood his question he flames me and insults my intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone should read posts? :x

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

 

^ I think that's quite unfair to call him "unintelligent" He's obviously a smart guy, smarter than you evidently. Your lack of capital letters, punctuation, and the usage of the word "lurering," leads me to believe that you sir, are a hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you disagree with the way he plays/played rs, please, say that, and don't call him dumb or stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

High-five on calling someone dumb while telling him to no call people dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, that guy keeps dodging his question like some kind of a pro polititian

First of all he didn't say not to call people dumb. Second of all I wasn't dodging the question I clearly stated I misunderstood his question then answered it. Instead of just reposting saying I must have misunderstood his question he flames me and insults my intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone should read posts? :x

[DRUMINATOR17]

 

 

 

I see this now otherwise you would have realized you have yet to answer the question i posed to you way back when at the beginning of this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what the freak are you going to do now that lurering is a bannable offence?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:12 pm

 

 

 

 

What will you know do since luring has been "banned"? Will you change your ways or continue to play in the same fashion that you did but a day before this update?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've made around 60M Staking since I got hacked, and then I had 220M Cash, and two Party Hats, Red and White. Roughly 500M? Which I made from staking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

okie dokie...maybe with your third response you can perhaps find enough spare intelligence laying around to properly answer this question, since i obviously have to further break it down for you becuase you have still yet to answer it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see that you have had som luck in the duel ring and have made some money, yes i do see that, youknow how i see it? Becuase i actually read that the first time you posted it back on page one which is why i asked about it this second time on page 5 becuase you never answered me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So for simple and obviously quite unintelligent people like yourself....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WILL YOU STILL CONTINUE TO KEEP LURERING PEOPLE????

I see. I misunderstood your question. Most likely not.

 

 

 

But instead of insulting my intelligence you could have just reposted telling me I misunderstood your question which was obvious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be perfectly honest, i fail to see how by saying your unintelligent for posting inadiquate answers to a simple question that stayed the same through TWO of your replys none the less, is insulting you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, if you will no longer continue to lure then whats the point of pointlessly furthering this topic?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously you still wish you could lure by furthering this topic and making it go on for as lon as it has you wish that the rule would be changed and things would be back to the way they were before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just let this thread be, keep staking, making more money that way luring (happy true noob?) brought you and let luring be a thing of the past.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As we all already know jagex hardly goes back and removes rules that they added into the game to make it "a better place for everyone" so just drop the luring talk and move on debating this topic further will serve no purpose but to anger everyone else further.

[Azurechaos]

 

 

 

 

^ I think that's quite unfair to call him "unintelligent" He's obviously a smart guy, smarter than you evidently. Your lack of capital letters, punctuation, and the usage of the word "lurering," leads me to believe that you sir, are a hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you disagree with the way he plays/played rs, please, say that, and don't call him dumb or stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

High-five on calling someone dumb while telling him to no call people dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, that guy keeps dodging his question like some kind of a pro polititian

First of all he didn't say not to call people dumb. Second of all I wasn't dodging the question I clearly stated I misunderstood his question then answered it. Instead of just reposting saying I must have misunderstood his question he flames me and insults my intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone should read posts? :x

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my god. You really are dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DO YOU SEE IT!? HELLLO!? REAAAD IIIIIIIIIT!

 

 

 

If you disagree with the way he plays/played rs, please, say that, and don't call him dumb or stupid.