Rule 2 Change: Should Luring be alloud?

[Lakitsym_Rose]

ANYWAY, LURING IS NOW AGAINST THE RULES AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU LURERS CAN DO TO CHANGE IT SO IF U STILL WANT TO LURE, FACE THE CONSEQUENCES, YOUR FAULT FOR CONTINUEING TO LURE, SO BOOYA! GET BANNED.

Don't bother posting here again your posts are idiotic and pointless. The Jojo lure. The lure that they drop money in the wild and then the victim runs up to take it, then they are barraged to death, is not illegal. We are not forcing anyone into the wild. It's that simple. And no one can prove we aren't going to drop other items. It's not possible.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

 

You're going to have to forgive this next statement, but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HELL NO, luring shouldn't be legalized again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring was never an honest way of playing the game anyway. What they are doing is setting someone up for a trap in the attempt to gain valuable items. The person that was the victim leaps at the opportunity to gain a valuable item for significantly less than what it was worth. Thus, the lure tactic preys on those who are not educated in valuable items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the lure tactic preys on those who are not smart enough to use common sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember that I said that it was the players' fault for being lured. I now recant that statement. It is the fault of the lurer for leading the player on -- a direct violation of rule 2. Just because they don't know doesn't make it right. (I believe someone said something about leaving a laptop unattended doesn't justify someone stealing it. While this is prone to happen, it's a true point -- it's their fault for leaving it unattended, but ultimately the thief gets punished.) I didn't quite understand why it was never enforced, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All the lurer does is bring the person to the spot. The victim does the rest on their own.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So just because they don't know any better makes it okay? No, it does not. Besides, who wouldn't run up to an item that they thought had value? It's like dangling a bag full of candy in front of a baby, then taking it from them (and punishing them for their negligence!).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANYWAY, LURING IS NOW AGAINST THE RULES AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU LURERS CAN DO TO CHANGE IT SO IF U STILL WANT TO LURE, FACE THE CONSEQUENCES, YOUR FAULT FOR CONTINUEING TO LURE, SO BOOYA! GET BANNED.

Don't bother posting here again your posts are idiotic and pointless. The Jojo lure. The lure that they drop money in the wild and then the victim runs up to take it, then they are barraged to death, is not illegal. We are not forcing anyone into the wild. It's that simple. And no one can prove we aren't going to drop other items. It's not possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let justice be done on all unscrupulous lurers that dare use these tactics. A lure is a lure, no matter what angle you try and look at it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just it! It's not a positive move for restoring the community! RuneScape's community was destroyed a long, long time ago. When they advertised it for little kids! Yes. I started playing this game when I was extremely young. But I was never a stubborn brat like 70-80% of RuneScape's community now is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the community was destroyed when things like this went unpunished. Stubborn? I beg to differ.

[blouinator]

im glad jagex updated rule 2 it was a great update and now stops luring idk how it is going to be reported though like ya lol

[Azurechaos]

Well. I'll have my say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care by what means you try to justify yourself by when you lure. It's still despicable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #1: "Their fault for being dumb"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They weren't being dumb. They were being trusting. This is what lurers prey on. People who haven't been scarred by people taking advantage of them tend to be more flexible in a transaction. I remember the first time I amlost got lured. I was trying to buy an easter egg because my membership was running out, and I was going to take a hiatus. I posted a thread on the official forums, and was offered not 1 easter egg, but 2 by someone. I gladly accepted to meet in Varrock. After I was in the Varrock Bank, he informed me he was up north killing bears. Well, needless to say, I was more than happy to go to him, so I withdrew my cash and went up. As soon as I got close to him, that warning message popped up. It saved me. I decided to stay for a while longer to see if it was possible that I was being paranoid, but as soon as I clicked "follow", he started reading a book. After a second, he took off like a rocket into the wildy, with me in tow. Soon as that happened, a person with ancients that was my exact level logged on and I teleported. From then on, I am wary of most everyone PMing to buy/sell stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #2: "They have that item, so I should have it too."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This may sound unbelieveably childish to most, but I have heard people say this on Runescape Communities Luring forums. Now, this one should be easy to answer. WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE A CLAIM ON AN ITEM SOMEONE ELSE WORKED HARD TO GET? What makes someone even get that idea? It's sick. Suppose the tables were turned. Suppose you had just worked on Runecrafting for about 8 months just to afford those 3 pretty paper hats? As your thread on the forums fills up with people trying to sell them to you, someone offers it at a reasonable price. You decide to go with him, as everyone else watch somewhat outrageous prices. You meet him in Edgeville to collect the item of your RS career, and you meet the guy by the Monestery, trusting him when he says he's just restoring prayer. As you walk back to the bank, you notice you're in level 1 wild. Almost as soon as you notice that, you're tb, entangled and already have 3 DDS specs on you. As you stuggle to comprehend the time you've lost as you fall, you just log out. Never to log on again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's all I say for now. I'm getting mad at myself just trying to think like a lurer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you lure, you deserve a ban.

[murgatroid99]

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And people deserve to get carjacked if they drive into bad neighborhoods, so this means carjackers are doing nothing wrong. :wall:

 

 

 

Hell yeah. If you drive into a ghetto and knowingly park your car which is worth stealing don't expect it to be there the next morning. Of course there is a difference in morality between stealing Pixels and stealing a car.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They don't care, yet they moderate the RSOF to keep advertising for a luring partner down ? If they really didn't care about it all, if it were in the spirit of the game, then they would for sure allow that to be advertised.

Alright, they don't approve of luring, but it's still not against the rules. EDIT: Just read the post above me and noticed JAGeX changed it to Luring now being reportable. Still won't do anything though. They can't prove it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fix the bolded statement. Just doing you a favor, pointing out a flaw. I agree, there's a difference between stealing pixels and a car. Since they're only pixels, you should have no problem keeping your hands off of others pixels.

But isn't the game more fun with more Pixels? I always thought so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also agree with the person above me that the "becasue I want it" justification is completely stupid. By your logic, any theif has the rights to anybody's properties because they can get to them, and therefore if whatever it is is accessable that means the person who owns them was too stupid to put everything they own in the most high-tech top security vault with armed gaurds, and anybody who has seen Ocean's 11 will know that even that is not safe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again as the person above me pointed out, the "becasue they were too stupid" argument also makes little sense because the people were trusting, not stupid. Taking your ghetto example (which by the way seems slightly racist because just because it is a ghetto does not mean it is filled with carjackers), what if you were looking to buy something expensive (a video game system, for example) that you really want, and somebody tells you that he knows where to get one cheap. The place may be close to a bad neighbourhood, but that's just where the store is. You follow him for a couple of blocks engaged in a great conversation with him. By the time you realize that you are in the ghetto, it's too late and you get jumped. Does this make you stupid?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One other thing I would like to point out is that you do not only trick people but you also take advantage of things inherent in the game. One example is the lag that you use to take someone near the wilderness and make sure that they follow you in before they notice or before they get a chance to turn off follow on their relatively slow computer.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

You're going to have to forgive this next statement, but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HELL NO, luring shouldn't be legalized again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring was never an honest way of playing the game anyway. What they are doing is setting someone up for a trap in the attempt to gain valuable items. The person that was the victim leaps at the opportunity to gain a valuable item for significantly less than what it was worth. Thus, the lure tactic preys on those who are not educated in valuable items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the lure tactic preys on those who are not smart enough to use common sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember that I said that it was the players' fault for being lured. I now recant that statement. It is the fault of the lurer for leading the player on -- a direct violation of rule 2. Just because they don't know doesn't make it right. (I believe someone said something about leaving a laptop unattended doesn't justify someone stealing it. While this is prone to happen, it's a true point -- it's their fault for leaving it unattended, but ultimately the thief gets punished.) I didn't quite understand why it was never enforced, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All the lurer does is bring the person to the spot. The victim does the rest on their own.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So just because they don't know any better makes it okay? No, it does not. Besides, who wouldn't run up to an item that they thought had value? It's like dangling a bag full of candy in front of a baby, then taking it from them (and punishing them for their negligence!).

Never once said because the don't know any better it's okay. The fact is they are given a warning and they should listen to it. Second of all they are not babies. It's more like dangling poisonous candy in front of a teenager telling them it's poisonous

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANYWAY, LURING IS NOW AGAINST THE RULES AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU LURERS CAN DO TO CHANGE IT SO IF U STILL WANT TO LURE, FACE THE CONSEQUENCES, YOUR FAULT FOR CONTINUEING TO LURE, SO BOOYA! GET BANNED.

Don't bother posting here again your posts are idiotic and pointless. The Jojo lure. The lure that they drop money in the wild and then the victim runs up to take it, then they are barraged to death, is not illegal. We are not forcing anyone into the wild. It's that simple. And no one can prove we aren't going to drop other items. It's not possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A lure is a lure. There's no polishing it or bending the rules around it; it is an offense. Trust me what I say that there will be ways to figure those types of lures out, and justice will be done on those greedy and unscrupulous players that take advantage of it.

A lure is strictly forcing someone into the wild. As long as we are not forcing anyone we are not breaking any rules.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

Well. I'll have my say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care by what means you try to justify yourself by when you lure. It's still despicable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #1: "Their fault for being dumb"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They weren't being dumb. They were being trusting. This is what lurers prey on. People who haven't been scarred by people taking advantage of them tend to be more flexible in a transaction. I remember the first time I amlost got lured. I was trying to buy an easter egg because my membership was running out, and I was going to take a hiatus. I posted a thread on the official forums, and was offered not 1 easter egg, but 2 by someone. I gladly accepted to meet in Varrock. After I was in the Varrock Bank, he informed me he was up north killing bears. Well, needless to say, I was more than happy to go to him, so I withdrew my cash and went up. As soon as I got close to him, that warning message popped up. It saved me. I decided to stay for a while longer to see if it was possible that I was being paranoid, but as soon as I clicked "follow", he started reading a book. After a second, he took off like a rocket into the wildy, with me in tow. Soon as that happened, a person with ancients that was my exact level logged on and I teleported. From then on, I am wary of most everyone PMing to buy/sell stuff.

Do you always trust complete strangers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #2: "They have that item, so I should have it too."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This may sound unbelieveably childish to most, but I have heard people say this on Runescape Communities Luring forums. Now, this one should be easy to answer. WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE A CLAIM ON AN ITEM SOMEONE ELSE WORKED HARD TO GET? What makes someone even get that idea? It's sick. Suppose the tables were turned. Suppose you had just worked on Runecrafting for about 8 months just to afford those 3 pretty paper hats? As your thread on the forums fills up with people trying to sell them to you, someone offers it at a reasonable price. You decide to go with him, as everyone else watch somewhat outrageous prices. You meet him in Edgeville to collect the item of your RS career, and you meet the guy by the Monestery, trusting him when he says he's just restoring prayer. As you walk back to the bank, you notice you're in level 1 wild. Almost as soon as you notice that, you're tb, entangled and already have 3 DDS specs on you. As you stuggle to comprehend the time you've lost as you fall, you just log out. Never to log on again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's all I say for now. I'm getting mad at myself just trying to think like a lurer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you lure, you deserve a ban.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never said that.

[Lord Diddy]

I have to say this is probally one of the best updates in a very long time

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although i completly agree that luring should be bannable, i would say that a person naive enough to trade in the wildy when it says it is dangerous should learn his lesson, those signs are there for a reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All i have to say is gratz jagex on a nice update =D>

[Lakitsym_Rose]

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

[Soma2035]

Rule 2 states: "You must not scam or deceive other players."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deceive: "To mislead by a false appearance or statement"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring is to MAKE A FALSE STATEMENT telling another player to go NEAR the wilderness for the purpose of a trade. The statement is false because you are asking them for a trade when you are acting under more diabolical intentions. YOU make a blatantly false statement in an attempt to bring them, unsuspecting, into a dangerous area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore, this falls under deception, and is therefore in direct violation of Rule 2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This applies ONLY to trade lures. Dropping valuable items in the wilderness and hoping people will go out is not a violation of rule 2 because you did not make any false statements, and the items are real. You are not implying that it is safe. Attacking someone and running into multi is, likewise, not a violation either because they have intentionally entered the wilderness, knowing all the risks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The key word there is "intentionally". If you ask someone to trade you, say, in level 5 wilderness and then kill them, then it's there fault, because they entered the wilderness, knowing it was wilderness, and knowing the risks.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

 

Well. I'll have my say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care by what means you try to justify yourself by when you lure. It's still despicable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #1: "Their fault for being dumb"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They weren't being dumb. They were being trusting. This is what lurers prey on. People who haven't been scarred by people taking advantage of them tend to be more flexible in a transaction. I remember the first time I amlost got lured. I was trying to buy an easter egg because my membership was running out, and I was going to take a hiatus. I posted a thread on the official forums, and was offered not 1 easter egg, but 2 by someone. I gladly accepted to meet in Varrock. After I was in the Varrock Bank, he informed me he was up north killing bears. Well, needless to say, I was more than happy to go to him, so I withdrew my cash and went up. As soon as I got close to him, that warning message popped up. It saved me. I decided to stay for a while longer to see if it was possible that I was being paranoid, but as soon as I clicked "follow", he started reading a book. After a second, he took off like a rocket into the wildy, with me in tow. Soon as that happened, a person with ancients that was my exact level logged on and I teleported. From then on, I am wary of most everyone PMing to buy/sell stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you always trust complete strangers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, let me tell you that a lure is still a lure. Doesn't matter whether or not they are being drawn into the wilderness, they're being drawn somewhere against their better judgment. I want you to justify how that could possibly ever be fair -- would you like it if you were drawn to a certain location against your better judgment and then have your hard-earned RS items taken away? (So what if they're pixels? They earned them, dammit.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now onto this point of trusting complete strangers -- yes, there is a mutual trust between two people when a trade is conducted. This entails that each party will uphold their ends of the agreed trade parameters (price, item, etc). By luring someone into the Wilderness you have indeed violated that trust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you've shot yourself in the foot now -- anything beyond this means that you're only trying to ignore the obvious. Lure is lure. Doesn't matter if you drop something in the wild in an attempt to bring them out, doesn't matter if they're drawn in by some bug, doesn't matter if they are left in the desert to die. It is not in the spirit of the game, it should not be permitted to continue, and no one should defend any variation thereof.

[Soma2035]

It shouldn't, and I wish they would ban DK lurers. They're much more dangerous than wildy ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point isn't what lure is more dangerous and immoral.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point is, one lure is lying to players to cheat them out of their items. The other one is trying to kill players who ACCEPT the risks of being where they are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're DK hunting, you accept the risks the monsters may kill you. You also accept the fact that with a team of under 10, you rely on tentative safespots, attack ranges, etc, that can easily be disrupted by any other player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not condemning killing Dagganoth kings with safespots. But if a player finds a way to foil this and kill you, there is no violation of rules.

[murgatroid99]

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

 

 

 

When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

Well. I'll have my say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care by what means you try to justify yourself by when you lure. It's still despicable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Justification #1: "Their fault for being dumb"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They weren't being dumb. They were being trusting. This is what lurers prey on. People who haven't been scarred by people taking advantage of them tend to be more flexible in a transaction. I remember the first time I amlost got lured. I was trying to buy an easter egg because my membership was running out, and I was going to take a hiatus. I posted a thread on the official forums, and was offered not 1 easter egg, but 2 by someone. I gladly accepted to meet in Varrock. After I was in the Varrock Bank, he informed me he was up north killing bears. Well, needless to say, I was more than happy to go to him, so I withdrew my cash and went up. As soon as I got close to him, that warning message popped up. It saved me. I decided to stay for a while longer to see if it was possible that I was being paranoid, but as soon as I clicked "follow", he started reading a book. After a second, he took off like a rocket into the wildy, with me in tow. Soon as that happened, a person with ancients that was my exact level logged on and I teleported. From then on, I am wary of most everyone PMing to buy/sell stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you always trust complete strangers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, let me tell you that a lure is still a lure. Doesn't matter whether or not they are being drawn into the wilderness, they're being drawn somewhere against their better judgment. I want you to justify how that could possibly ever be fair -- would you like it if you were drawn to a certain location against your better judgment and then have your hard-earned RS items taken away? (So what if they're pixels? They earned them, dammit.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now onto this point of trusting complete strangers -- yes, there is a mutual trust between two people when a trade is conducted. This entails that each party will uphold their ends of the agreed trade parameters (price, item, etc). By luring someone into the Wilderness you have indeed violated that trust.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you've shot yourself in the foot now -- anything beyond this means that you're only trying to ignore the obvious. Lure is lure. Doesn't matter if you drop something in the wild in an attempt to bring them out, doesn't matter if they're drawn in by some bug, doesn't matter if they are left in the desert to die. It is not in the spirit of the game, it should not be permitted to continue, and no one should defend any variation thereof.

So by your logic telling my friend to come to the bank I'm luring him. And of course I wouldn't like me losing my RS items but then again I won't be killed by a lurer because I'm not stupid enough to fall for that.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

 

 

 

When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking.

 

 

 

I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing.

[Sirob1414]

NOTE: I HAVE NEVER LURED ANYONE OR PLANNE DO LURING ANYONE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quite frankly I dont support the rule change. Several reasons....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. There is a warning!

 

 

 

You know that you are entering the wild and if you choose to enter with you items to go talk to someone IN THE WILD well...... that is your choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. What is luring?

 

 

 

There are so many different types of luring. Where will the line be drawn?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A. When do you report the offense?

 

 

 

a. When someone offers to trade you close to wild?

 

 

 

That wouldnt be fair because alot of people do mke trades near the wild with no intention of killing anyone.

 

 

 

b. When you walk into wild and die?

 

 

 

When you are getting killed no one will say "haha I lured you." Do you think that jagex with its wonderful system of screening abuses will do the math to find if something actually was a lure or just idiot dieing and reporting it because he lost his items?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

B. Types of lures....

 

 

 

a. Obviously the edgey bridge and oziach lures will be easy to report but what is exactly luring to Jagex?

 

 

 

What if someone decides to run into the wild with their rare or expensive armor on? They could be simply messing around, really risky or luring by inticing you to run in after them. People can drop items and day it wa a drop party. I have seen drop partys in the wild, so dont say bs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. They will always think of something new.

 

 

 

There will always be people figuring how to get people into the wild without getting in trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

C. Runescape is a online RPG.

 

 

 

a. Tricking people is part of online games IMO. The best part of games is to be able to do things you can't or wouldn't do in real life. Thats what make games like GTA so popular. If you get a fair warning that you are entering the wild, its up to you if you want to trust this person or not. AS I SAID BEFORE I DONT SUPPORT SCAMMING but, keeping games with too staright forward of rules makes rthem get old fast. Its not rule that when a friend lends you money, thinking that you will pay him back, that you do. If he skips town because hes a (bad word) you cant report him for tricking you, why can you report someone for your choice to go in wild? Deciet is part of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just my point of view....... :uhh:

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

So by your logic telling my friend to come to the bank I'm luring him. And of course I wouldn't like me losing my RS items but then again I won't be killed by a lurer because I'm not stupid enough to fall for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mmm....I don't think you quite understood me. And it doesn't have to be by a conventional lure; I said anywhere against your better judgment. It's obviously in your better judgment to avoid the Wilderness and those lure tactics, but what about slayer monster lure tactics (the most of which being at Abberants)? If you didn't know any better (and I'm not saying you don't), you would be forced there against your better judgment. Same principle applies to lures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reread my first post and I hope that you can get the point that I was going for.

[hoffmanbmxx]

I think that luerers can be compared to real life con artists in some ways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A confidence trick or confidence game, also known as a con, scam, grift, bunko or flim flam, is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the "mark") usually with the goal of financial or other gain. (For confidence tricks dealing with information theft or computers see Social engineering (security).)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The grade of one's "intelligence" is totally unrelated to one's grade of vulnerability to getting deceived by experienced con men. Confidence tricks exploit human weaknesses like greed, dishonesty, vanity, but also virtues like honesty, compassion, or the "naÃÆÃâÃâïvetÃÆÃâÃâé" of believing in the existence of something called "good faith".

 

 

 

(quote taken from wikipedia)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except the main difference is that luerers have the ability to pull someone into the wild by trading and then running in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JaGex could just make it so if someone traded you and ran into the wilderness, and if you hit accept trade request it would not force you into the wilderness because you didn't in any way intend go into the wilderness, you just wanted to trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well maybe it would solve that type of luring

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: but if they do the "gold drop tecnique"... then there really is no excuse except that the person didnt know where the wilderness started, which doesn't cover it

[pizzalord1]

So by your logic telling my friend to come to the bank I'm luring him. And of course I wouldn't like me losing my RS items but then again I won't be killed by a lurer because I'm not stupid enough to fall for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keywords:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, let me tell you that a lure is still a lure. Doesn't matter whether or not they are being drawn into the wilderness, they're being drawn somewhere against their better judgment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Going to a bank is a perfectly safe practice. Following someone to an unspecified location isn't.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

So by your logic telling my friend to come to the bank I'm luring him. And of course I wouldn't like me losing my RS items but then again I won't be killed by a lurer because I'm not stupid enough to fall for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mmm....I don't think you quite understood me. And it doesn't have to be by a conventional lure; I said anywhere against your better judgment. It's obviously in your better judgment to avoid the Wilderness and those lure tactics, but what about slayer monster lure tactics (the most of which being at Abberants)? If you didn't know any better (and I'm not saying you don't), you would be forced there against your better judgment. Same principle applies to lures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reread my first post and I hope that you can get the point that I was going for.

I'm not concerned with luring someone to monsters. I'm completely for Wild Luring because you get a warning, and the most popular and succesful lure doesn't force them into the wild.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

So by your logic telling my friend to come to the bank I'm luring him. And of course I wouldn't like me losing my RS items but then again I won't be killed by a lurer because I'm not stupid enough to fall for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keywords:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, let me tell you that a lure is still a lure. Doesn't matter whether or not they are being drawn into the wilderness, they're being drawn somewhere against their better judgment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Going to a bank is a perfectly safe practice. Following someone to an unspecified location isn't.

So if I say meet me at the Varrock bar just before the wild in the North-East corner I'm fine.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

I think that luerers can be compared to real life con artists in some ways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A confidence trick or confidence game, also known as a con, scam, grift, bunko or flim flam, is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the "mark") usually with the goal of financial or other gain. (For confidence tricks dealing with information theft or computers see Social engineering (security).)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The grade of one's "intelligence" is totally unrelated to one's grade of vulnerability to getting deceived by experienced con men. Confidence tricks exploit human weaknesses like greed, dishonesty, vanity, but also virtues like honesty, compassion, or the "naÃÆÃâÃâïvetÃÆÃâÃâé" of believing in the existence of something called "good faith".

 

 

 

(quote taken from wikipedia)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except the main difference is that luerers have the ability to pull someone into the wild by trading and then running in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JaGex could just make it so if someone traded you and ran into the wilderness, and if you hit accept trade request it would not force you into the wilderness because you didn't in any way intend go into the wilderness, you just wanted to trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well maybe it would solve that type of luring

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That hasn't worked for years.

[Aneron]

I personally don't have a problem with luring (I don't do it of course :roll: no wildy skills). Anyone that bleeding stupid deserves to get cleaned. It helps cleanse morons from RS. For those of you geniuses out there, you get a very specific warning when you choose to enter the wilderness. If you choose to enter it's your decision. Anyone choosing to enter the wilderness is fair game.

[Burzuk]

I'm with Rose when he says merchanting is also scamming...sorry you're taking advantage of someone who doesn't know the real price of an item.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lure is "Come to a place where players can kill players to trade or meet" is that scamming?

 

 

 

Then i guess the poor noob who was told to grab the wine of zamorak in the tower and then being shut the door was also scammed... :-k

[murgatroid99]

 

 

 

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems that this thread is getting a lot more attention, so I will post it here too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a flaw in your reasoning, because you have pointed out that you like having "pixels", but you have no problem taking them from others to make yourself happy. This act of taking from others what they value in order to make yourself happy is usually considered theft. It is true that pixels have no real value (excluding illegal eBay sale), but people value them, and many of them probably care more than you do because they are more willing to work hard for them than you do. The fact that these "pixels" take less time to get luring than it does other ways does not make it the right thing to do because it hurts other people in the process. You could also point out that it is possible for other forms of moneymaking may hurt people, but luring deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more. I give a big :thumbdown: to luring.

 

 

 

Staking and PKing deliberately makes other players have less so you can have more.

 

 

 

When you stake or PK, both players go with the intention of fighting and winning money with rhe risk of losing everything they bring. People do not go to trade expecting to lose all of their money, but to get a fair and honest trade. Luring takes advantage of that to make sure people will not fight back, which is very different from PKing or Staking.

 

 

 

I don't know about you but I always fight the lurer's killer. Meaning I do go with intention of winning something with the risk of losing everything I bring. If your not intelligent enough to recognize a lure you shouldn't be playing. Hell, you shouldn't be breathing.

 

 

 

I was not talking about you. The person being lured does not expect that, and therefore will not take food, armour, or weapons like a PKer or Staker would and like you obviously do because a normal trade does not require body armour. As for the part about not being able to recognize a lure, people do not want to have to spend their time watching for someone trying to take their money instead of trading peacefully and continuing the way they have been.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

C. Runescape is a online RPG.

 

 

 

a. Tricking people is part of online games IMO. The best part of games is to be able to do things you can't or wouldn't do in real life. Thats what make games like GTA so popular. If you get a fair warning that you are entering the wild, its up to you if you want to trust this person or not. AS I SAID BEFORE I DONT SUPPORT SCAMMING but, keeping games with too staright forward of rules makes rthem get old fast. Its not rule that when a friend lends you money, thinking that you will pay him back, that you do. If he skips town because hes a (bad word) you cant report him for tricking you, why can you report someone for your choice to go in wild? Deciet is part of the game.

 

 

 

To this person I would like to say that in games like GTA you are not hurting other people but AI computer animations, not at all like the human controlled Runescape avatars. To the point about "Deciet is part of the game", people play the game to have fun, and do not want to have to deal with people like the friend skipping town because that detracts from having a good time.