angryjoe Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Well, he has announced that he will be stepping down within the next 2 weeks with Gordon Brown pretty definately taking over. So do you think that his era as PM has been sucessful? Personally I believe that he has been one of the best PMs ever but is the only one that I have been here and able to understand (not fully i'm only 16 but considerably). The economy has got rid of the boom-recession cycle and has changed to sustainable steady growth, thanks mainly to Gordon Brown. I think that although crime rates have gone up, it would of been the same with any other party and personally i still generaly feel safe most of the time and most places. Iraq is probably a mistake although oil was most definately not the sole reason that we invaded and I might be more against it if there wasn't aload of liberal bollocks opposing it. There are many other factors but i can't think of loads at this time but overall id say Tony Blair has been brilliant and Gordon Brown deserves a shot at it and is definately far ahead of David Cameron. And next general election ill be old enough to vote :D . So yeh what's all your opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Well, he has announced that he will be stepping down within the next 2 weeks with Gordon Brown pretty definately taking over. The fact that Tony Blair sort of endorsed Gordon Brown to become Prime Minister just 2 days before the Scottish Parliamentary elections isn't a coincidence. It's a poor attempt to inspire Scottish voters into sticking with Labour, like we'll all think "Oooo a Scottish PM...let's vote Labour." I find it insulting to my intelligence. It proves to me just how scared Labour are of the SNP and how low they'll stoop to keep voters. The usual negative scaremongering hasn't been working so far and now it's Labour who are in panic. As for the Blair era, he will be judged on his choice to go into Iraq, simple as that in my opinion. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjoe Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 So are you for Scotland to be seperated from Britain? Not starting an argument or owt just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 So are you for Scotland to be seperated from Britain? Not starting an argument or owt just wondering. I think if thats what the people want then thats what should happen. I believe that people should at least be allowed to choose if they want to remain in Britain or not. As for myself personally, I'm somewhat torn. On one hand I think why not we have before and I think we can be economically stable & it would be beneficial to have full control over our own affairs. On the other hand, I think it poses many social problems & I realise that we'll still probably have the same sort of problems if we are independent. Edit - I think the problem people have with seperatist parties in Britain (Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland), is that alot of people regard them as anti-English. I dislike these people who blame England for anything & everything, it's quite pathetic. Instead I think that people should be far more interested in advancing the state of their own nations - nationalismto me is about being pro-Scottish not anti-English. This came up today at uni so I thought I'd bring it up just to avoid any misunderstanding. In fact, the current system is unfair towards England in some respects as Scottish/Welsh MP's can vote over English constitutional affairs (education, NHS in England etc) while English MP's can't do the same over Scottish/Welsh affairs as they are devolved powers and go to either the Scottish Parliament or the Welsh Assembly. ----------------------- Sorry I realise I've took this so off-topic (I think its becoming my bad habit on these boards). So let's get back on topic Tony Blair eh?.... He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Well, let's face it, he was following up a John Major Tory government. To be honest, he couldn't have done much worse. I truly believe we won't be able to judge with confidence until another 5-10 years or so. But whatever he's done, he'll always be remembered for two things: Iraq, and Dr. David Kelly. No matter how hard he tries, that will always stain his record. And rightly so. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Even at only a relatively young 17 I've already learnt that most politicians are all as bad as one another. Personally I don't like the man, he seems intent to throw British power to the non elected EU. As Bubsa has already said the Iraq situation and David Kelly fiasco are pretty permanent stains but his smaller acts to me are just as abhorrent. Inheritance tax is still in existence Political correctness on the rise, bleh. failing NHS and education systems A benefit culture that encourages laziness Immigration stupidly out of control Finally - the man has, by his own free choice, picked John Prescott as deputy Prime minister - seriously wth. Apologies for any incorrect things, late/work tired etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjoe Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 I havent looked into the John Mojor government that much, but i think that Tony Blair could of done alot worse. I absolutely hate with a passion this country's media and the way they portray him as big bad tony and reckon hes done a good job. Then again the only other government i know much about is the Judas that is Thatcher so im obviously gonna like the current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Well yeah, it's good you can realise your own naivety. You raise a few good points there, but to be fair, once you've experienced another presidency (sorry, Prime Minister, how silly of me...) from the political perspective you now have, you'll be able to find out and judge properly for yourself. It's good that you take an interest, actually. It's very easy to lose it, I know I have now and then. :P This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjoe Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 Inheritance tax is still in existence - I don't see why it shouldn't. I know people are in a state of mourning when they get it and stuff but its a good stream of revenue. Political correctness on the rise, bleh.- not a scratch on cameron :P failing NHS and education systems - i seriously believe that it would be just as bad with anyone else in power A benefit culture that encourages laziness - The whole 'look after no 1 thing is from the thatcher era (thats according to what ive heared from people) Immigration stupidly out of control - it is currently the only thing stopping our population from declining. It does need sorting out though, the australian style points system has been mentioned Finally - the man has, by his own free choice, picked John Prescott as deputy Prime minister - seriously wth. - OK granted, bad move . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjoe Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 Well yeah, it's good you can realise your own naivety. You raise a few good points there, but to be fair, once you've experienced another presidency (sorry, Prime Minister, how silly of me...) from the political perspective you now have, you'll be able to find out and judge properly for yourself. It's good that you take an interest, actually. It's very easy to lose it, I know I have now and then. :P I think it will be a while before i experience another though (other than Brown) because i see Cameron as just a joke really and if he gets in we will be a nation of nancys. Just recently ive got an increasing interest in politics. Dunno why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Inheritance tax is still in existence - I don't see why it shouldn't. I know people are in a state of mourning when they get it and stuff but its a good stream of revenue. If you can give me one good reason why it is ok to seize 40% of a persons belongings just because they died then you are a better man than I. Political correctness on the rise, bleh.- not a scratch on cameron Irrelevant, I never said he was better or compared him to anyone; just saying he dropped the ball. failing NHS and education systems - i seriously believe that it would be just as bad with anyone else in power Same as above mostly. A benefit culture that encourages laziness - The whole 'look after no 1 thing is from the thatcher era (thats according to what ive heared from people) I never said look after nobody, just make it better to work than live off benefits. Immigration stupidly out of control - it is currently the only thing stopping our population from declining. It does need sorting out though, the australian style points system has been mentioned A declining population is bad why? The mass destruction of greenbelt/brownfield land for new homes and booming house prices (and therefore impossible for anyone to get on the property ladder) would not occur if there weren't so many people. Also yes couldn't agree more on the Aussie way Finally - the man has, by his own free choice, picked John Prescott as deputy Prime minister - seriously wth. - OK granted, bad moveNo argument here :wink: . Original = normal, angry joe = italics, my reply = bold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 I feel sorry for Blair, because of all the bad press he constantly gets. He has not been a bad PM really. He didn't do things that he had promised, which is the main case against him. Watching that fictional programme "The trial of Tony Blair" i hated it. It was just so horrible to watch despite it attempting to be funny. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 We needed a strong PM and Tony Blair Wasnt one Basically Him and Bushy boy were In ..Well Tony With Bush...Bush didnt really care Im not sure about Gorden Brown I Think david Cameron might be gd...Although seems a tad fake with enviromental issues? Then again theres Mingus campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjoe Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 Satenza - thats very similar to what i think about him But Achilleus - Cameron is the biggest toff ever. No way would he make a good pm imo. Just generally tries too hard. and sir ming who? :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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