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There are a couple that I follow, but most of them are of the traditional/old school nature - so if you know more specifically what kind of style you're looking for I could probably help you out more and find some other sites for you. http://www.theboldwillhold.com/ (traditional) http://preeminentpie...blr.com/archive (kind of mixed, but mostly american traditional and japanese) http://www.tattoosnob.com/ (just good tattoos all around, but a lot of traditional and realistic) http://swallowsndaggers.net/ (traditional and neo-traditional) http://[bleep]yeahqualitytattoos.tumblr.com/page/2 (realistic) (http://mikeadamstattoo.tumblr.com/) (traditional) http://meditationsinatrament.com/ (black-n-grey/dotwork) Thanks for that, I'll have a good look through them. I'm not sure what style I'm looking to get just yet, I'm a bit indecisive lol.

Can anyone recommend a decent site where I can trawl through images of good examples of tatoos? I'm looking for some inspiration over what to get for myself.

Interesting and eclectic list, there's a few albums on there I might look up now. Anyone who can put The Smiths, Eminem and The Libertines on the same list is fine by me :thumbup: .

I aint afraid of no ghost!

Surely it would be smarter for rights holders to work with upload sites and build a system or create an agreement whereby rightsholders are able to flag up copyright-infringing files for quick deletion rather than fighting a losing battle and having upload sites taken down? Now that MU is down people will just move to another upload service and when that goes down another will get used and it won't make a difference in the long run. Seizure and prosecution of course will have to be used as the bargaining chip to coerce the upload sites to act but it really shouldn't be the first course of action. If that point has been made already then I'm sorry but I don't have time to read over the rest of the thread :P

They also have to built a democratic culture from a decentralised tribal one without any real institutions - ie, much harder than Tunisia or Egypt. Misrata have already been complaining about things. There are going to be disputes & complaints about a lot of things, the important thing is how the various factions deal with the disputes. If they are able to agree to disagree and work together for the common good then tthey will be fine, if it becomes anything creates further bloodshed then it will get bad. I don't see the latter happening to be honest, the NTC seems to have dealt with the majority of the disputes that have come up well so far.

1) Israel is not negotiating a two-state solution with Hamas but with Fatah (as representatives of the Palestinian Authority). Hamas has been the predominant group that has been firing rockets into Israel not Fatah. Conflating the two seperate groups is just not a representation of what is really happening. 2) Your counter point completely failed to tackle the point I raised. Getting back to the overall subject of the thread: On a personal level, the release of Gilad Shalit is a wonderful thing for him and his family. However, the only people that benefit from this are the two groups that are intransigent and preventing any hope of a two-state solution Likud (and more widely Natanyahu's right wing coalition) and Hamas. The release of the 1,000 detainees will be a big short term boost to Hamas but they have played their last card now having clearly feeling threatened by the popularity of Abbas's actions at the UN. This release of 1,000 prisoners for 1 kidnapped Israeli soldier may convince them that capturing more soldiers in the future. Likewise, Netanyahu is using this to gain favour with the Israeli public which isn't helpful either considering how he deliberately circumvented the Oslo Accords (after vowing not to) and considering his willingness to undermine any hope of negotiation with the PA. Yet again, the warmongers on both sides win. This where you are wrong Israel will not be negotiating a deal with only half of the Palestinians but with all of them. Meaning as long as hamas a Palestinians terrorist continues its terrorism Israel can't talk peace with them. The Palestinians are all one group of people its a 2 state solution not 3. One for the Jews and one for the Arabs not One for the Jews and 2 for the Arabs Counter point is exactly correct to what you said. As The Gabe said it is not Israel but Abbas who is undermining the peace process. Abbas going to the UN is against all agreements in till now. The way I see it, there should be talks with Hamas as well because although I disagree with much of their agenda and approach, they are a group which does unfortunately represent many Palestinians. However, the facts on the ground are that the two state solution has only really been negotiated by the Israeli government and the Palestinian Authority (represented by Fatah). You could argue that the unity deal means now that Hamas has a say but in reality that deal seems to have done nothing in practice and was just a means of pacifying a dissolusioned population. As for Abbass going to the UN, I think it was important in two regards, one it made Fatah more popular which in turn gives Abbass a stronger footing within Palestine which ultimately will help Palestinian backing for the two state option that Abbass wants to make happen. Secondly, I think it gave the Israel, the US, the Quartet and the wider international community a shot in the arm and it pushed the Israel-Palestine issue back on to the agenda which can only be good in these circumstances. There were no negotiations ongoing because of the continued expansion which is a roadblock to talks (which Netanyahu is deliberately exploiting). These expansions undermine Abbass' position within Palestine which means he had no way of representing his people in peace talks anyway since you can't make a deal when you don't have the support of your people. The UN bid was more of a political move by Abbass to improve his popularity in Palestine and to get the issue back on the agenda rather than a real effort at statehood via the UN (since everyone knows the US will veto). I think it was a great move overall, Fatah is boosted (thus hurting Hamas, which is why they released Shalit) and the international community is pulling the finger out for a change.

And you have a credible source for your sequence of events? A video of the final shot maybe? No, because thats not how it went down. A doctor on the ambulance that carried him back said he died of wounds on the way. Wounds that he clearly had as he was being dragged out of the hole as seen in the videos. Also, I'm sure we all are saddened by your doubts of the NTC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15390188 I could be wrong, but it definitely doesn't look like he was wounded in a crossfire. No not in a crossfire. But as this picture shows he was clearly suffering from his head wound before becoming a prisoner. It does seem that he was bleeding from the head when he was captured (as your image shows) but the doctors said he died from a bullet wound to the head which I would think would kill instantly. I would like to be wrong though and I'm still open to seeing any further evidence that comes out but from what I see so far it looks like he was excecuted. Not that this matters to those inside Libya from what is coming out of the country it seems like the way in which Gaddafi died isn't really a big issue to most, the debate seems to be mainly among outsiders.

How can you negotiate a deal when one side is committing terrorism daily and firing rockets at innocent civilians daily. It isn't a one sided street. 1) Israel is not negotiating a two-state solution with Hamas but with Fatah (as representatives of the Palestinian Authority). Hamas has been the predominant group that has been firing rockets into Israel not Fatah. Conflating the two seperate groups is just not a representation of what is really happening. 2) Your counter point completely failed to tackle the point I raised. Getting back to the overall subject of the thread: On a personal level, the release of Gilad Shalit is a wonderful thing for him and his family. However, the only people that benefit from this are the two groups that are intransigent and preventing any hope of a two-state solution Likud (and more widely Natanyahu's right wing coalition) and Hamas. The release of the 1,000 detainees will be a big short term boost to Hamas but they have played their last card now having clearly feeling threatened by the popularity of Abbas's actions at the UN. This release of 1,000 prisoners for 1 kidnapped Israeli soldier may convince them that capturing more soldiers in the future. Likewise, Netanyahu is using this to gain favour with the Israeli public which isn't helpful either considering how he deliberately circumvented the Oslo Accords (after vowing not to) and considering his willingness to undermine any hope of negotiation with the PA. Yet again, the warmongers on both sides win.

How can you negotiate a deal over division of land when one side is still expanding, it's an illogical position. It is like negotiating over how to divide a piece of cake while one person is still eating it up.

I have certain misgivings about how he died, as others have said a full trial would have been much more favourable and it seems that he was summarily excecuted (the cross-fire argument doesn't seem to have any supporting evidence at this point). However, I can understand why it happened in the way that it did, according to some reports it was fighters from Misrata that captured Gaddafi and considering how that city was effected during this war (& in the 40 plus years of the regime) I can see why the fighters did what they did even if I don't agree with it. That all being said, I do find a rich irony in his widow demanding a full enquiry into how he died considering how his regime have killed without mercy for the last few decades and specifically how he has killed innocent civilians during this war. Now that Libya has been literally - any more importantly - liberated from Gaddafi and his regime, the real tough work has to start. The political transition process needs to get underway quickly and in a way that is able to keep the various factions happy to an extent. They can't be seen to just be a Benghazi clique. The oil money could either be the biggest gift for the NTC - allowing them to start rebuilding quickly and getting the nation on a footing for a democratic future, or it could become a curse with every faction fighting or a bigger share. Luckily the oil is fairly spread across Libya so hopefully that doesn't become a problem. Another issue is that Libya has almost zero infrastructure because of how Gaddafi's regime function (or more imporantly didn't) and creating the apparatus of government with ministries and services will be difficult in a nation that isn't used to them and has no history of democracy or accountable governance. I'm hopeful for Libya though, I don't have the same pessimism I had after Iraq, there doesn't seem to be ethnic tension, the real risk as I see it is factionalism between brigades who fought and disagreements with (and within) the NTC. However, if they ensure that the transition is fully enclusive and not dominated by one or two factions then I think the transition can be a long term success. It won't be without problems though but are revolutions and transitions ever easy and clear cut?

They may be a small part of his overall business but I did read somewhere that Murdoch considers them important because of their ability to shape public opinion (or their perceived ability to shape it).

I will introduce you to A Tribe Called Quest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFZLq6R-ZtM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYbwFuw_QQI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRrM6tfOHds Give me A Tribe Called Quest over Gucci Mane any day.