Gender Dysphoria

[Flamecaller]

That's good considering you're not an expert.

 

 

 

I'm trained but I'm not an expert, what exactly is your point again?

 

 

 

This is supposed to be a post about transgender, there's no need to go tangent just because you were proved wrong by calling it a disorder.

 

 

 

...I was "proved wrong"? By whom? You? That's certainly laughable. You "proved me wrong" by saying "This book and this doctor says it's not a disorder." even though if you clearly say the theory on what it is (being born female, but with a male brain) anyone would instantly say "yea, that's a disorder..." just like if you asked them "is being born female with a penis a disorder?" they'd say "Uhhh, yea..."

 

 

 

Please, enlighten us, O' trained one. What exactly IS "transgender" caused by? Oh that's right...Your only other option is to say "it's completely natural!" when clearly it is not, or we'd all want a set of breasts to go with our male genitalia.

 

 

 

Again, more propaganda on your part. "It's natural" you'd surely say, and if not, you'd say it's not natural, but we must accept it for what it is...Essentially agreeing with me and then throwing out common sense.

 

 

 

I see no third option, perhaps you'd like to enlighten me. Open your magical psych book and tell us all that WE'RE the ones with the problem.

 

 

 

Goes to show how messed up our society is. You try to get someone to REALLY think out what their doing and how their feeling before making any irreversible decisions, and you're immediately called a bigot and told to accept them for what they are. Fools.

[IGoddessI]

I'll address #4 since it's really the only one that needs to be...

 

So within all that tangibility, youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re suggesting that an environmental stimulus leads to a learned response, through pairing of an unconditioned stimulus with a previously neutral conditioned stimulus, resulting in a conditioned response?

 

 

 

That being said, why donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t you apply that to yourself liking transgender?

 

 

 

So long as it's not written in the DSM IV, it's not socially acclaimed a disorder :D You can't change that.

[Flamecaller]

So within all that tangibility, youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re suggesting that an environmental stimulus leads to a learned response, through pairing of an unconditioned stimulus with a previously neutral conditioned stimulus, resulting in a conditioned response?

 

 

 

That being said, why donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t you apply that to yourself liking transgender?

 

 

 

I wasn't suggesting anything. I asked you a question. Clearly you cannot answer it.

 

 

 

Oh, and using big ol' flashy talk doesn't = smart or even coherent in this case, especially when you can't answer a simple question. You sound rather pseudo if I do say so myself.\

 

 

 

Edit (since I must, since you did again...): So a book is now > common sense and all intellectual thought? Like I said...Pseudo. Nothing but Pseudo. You're worshiping a book as if it has all the answers. That book PROBABLY says "We have no idea what causes this..." :lol:

[IGoddessI]

I actually did if you look. Now if you don't mind answering mine?

[Flamecaller]

I actually did if you look. Now if you don't mind answering mine?

 

 

 

I didn't ask you what a book said or did not say. I asked you, that if you're so smart and all-knowing, why it isn't a disorder, even though it clearly, as it's being described, is.

[IGoddessI]

Why do you ignore my question every time you can't think of an answer for it?

 

 

 

I'll say it again incase you missed it.

 

 

 

Why can't you condition yourself to like transgender? or to accept transgender?

[Flamecaller]

Why do you ignore my question every time you can't think of an answer for it?

 

 

 

I'll say it again incase you missed it.

 

 

 

Why can't you condition yourself to like transgender? or to accept transgender?

 

 

 

...That's a WHOLE 'nother mental disorder right there. Someone conditioning themselves to want to mutilate their bodies to become something they're not? Yea, that's perfectly sane.

 

 

 

I believe we have the names of a few of those people...Ed Gene...Jeffrey Dhamer...Buffalo Bill...:lol: Not exactly upstanding members of the community!

 

 

 

Are you implying that the OP is ni league with those people? Surely not, but if you're going to say someone can be so twisted as to say "Mutilation...Hmm, that looks fun." and be normal, then I don't ever want to meet whoever taught you psychology. Christ.

[warri0r45]

I'll address #4 since it's really the only one that needs to be...

 

 

 

Black people have their own stereotypes for whites. Being white, I can say most do not apply to me (I'm not "out of get the black man down", for example...Not that anyone is...That is just paranoia/excuses on the part of blacks), but you have to take whatever comes. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch, as they say. When 1/4 of black get sent to prison in their life-time, they're stereotyped as dangerous criminals because a large portion in fact ARE dangerous criminals, however, I'm fully aware that not all are.

 

 

 

However, if someone were to wrong you over and over again and they were all of one race...Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't start to have some sort of spite for that entire race? Surely you can't say you wouldn't for sure. I'll admit it right now that I'm one bad black person encounter away from being a White Nationalist...Actually, no...Those guys are morons too. But I am to the point where a certain group of people have wronged me so many times that it is becoming instinct to not trust them as a whole. Yet still, I am not racist...Somehow. I do not hate black people, I've just had bad experiences with them enough to instinctionally not trust them right off the bat. It's human defense and it's natural. It's how humans first learned that touching fire = bad. It's how you learned that as a baby.

 

 

 

In it's own way, even that is a stereotype, and stereotypes are important to our lives. They're not always fair, but they help. They can also hurt, but they also help. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and if you don't like it, you have to change those around you. If there are 4 whites and 3 are criminals and 1 is not, and a black person is stereotyping all 4 as criminals, it's the job of the one non-criminal to change his peers and thus, change the black person's mind.

 

 

 

...Wait, this is getting so off-topic. :P

 

 

 

As a general rule I try not to stereotype anyone, for any reason. But, you're right, I can't honestly say how I'd react if I was in a position where a stereotype may apply to one group of people. Regardless, I'd still acknowlege that it's unfair to claim I know that all 'x' are 'y' because it's obviously not true. My address of your point was merely to look at it from the point of view of the black person. If you were one and you got stereotyped and were of the position that you see it as ok to stereotype, you should have no qualms in sucking it up, as you say.

 

 

 

This is just the idealist in me. On the whole I don't have too much of an issue to argue here as you acknowlege that you are fully aware that not all blacks are criminals, which is the main point to consider (as I said, not all 'x' are 'y' is the important aspect to acknowledge). I suppose when it comes to stereotypes it's all about keeping them in your conscious thoughts and not coming out of your mouth (I'm not trying to suggest that you do vocalize the stereotypes you see as justified).

[warri0r45]

That's good considering you're not an expert.

 

 

 

I'm trained but I'm not an expert, what exactly is your point again?

 

 

 

This is supposed to be a post about transgender, there's no need to go tangent just because you were proved wrong by calling it a disorder.

 

 

 

...I was "proved wrong"? By whom? You? That's certainly laughable. You "proved me wrong" by saying "This book and this doctor says it's not a disorder." even though if you clearly say the theory on what it is (being born female, but with a male brain) anyone would instantly say "yea, that's a disorder..." just like if you asked them "is being born female with a penis a disorder?" they'd say "Uhhh, yea..."

 

 

 

Please, enlighten us, O' trained one. What exactly IS "transgender" caused by? Oh that's right...Your only other option is to say "it's completely natural!" when clearly it is not, or we'd all want a set of breasts to go with our male genitalia.

 

 

 

Again, more propaganda on your part. "It's natural" you'd surely say, and if not, you'd say it's not natural, but we must accept it for what it is...Essentially agreeing with me and then throwing out common sense.

 

 

 

I see no third option, perhaps you'd like to enlighten me. Open your magical psych book and tell us all that WE'RE the ones with the problem.

 

 

 

Goes to show how messed up our society is. You try to get someone to REALLY think out what their doing and how their feeling before making any irreversible decisions, and you're immediately called a bigot and told to accept them for what they are. Fools.

 

 

 

You seem to be mistaking 'abnormal' for 'disorder'. If anything abnormal was a disorder, then any trait expressed in low frequency in a human population, regardless of it's effects, would be considered a disorder. As disorder must cause distress or disability. Transgender dosen't neccesarily fulfill these requirements, but I suppose you could argue that it possibly can if the dysphoria is strong enough.

[Flamecaller]

I'll address #4 since it's really the only one that needs to be...

 

 

 

Black people have their own stereotypes for whites. Being white, I can say most do not apply to me (I'm not "out of get the black man down", for example...Not that anyone is...That is just paranoia/excuses on the part of blacks), but you have to take whatever comes. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch, as they say. When 1/4 of black get sent to prison in their life-time, they're stereotyped as dangerous criminals because a large portion in fact ARE dangerous criminals, however, I'm fully aware that not all are.

 

 

 

However, if someone were to wrong you over and over again and they were all of one race...Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't start to have some sort of spite for that entire race? Surely you can't say you wouldn't for sure. I'll admit it right now that I'm one bad black person encounter away from being a White Nationalist...Actually, no...Those guys are morons too. But I am to the point where a certain group of people have wronged me so many times that it is becoming instinct to not trust them as a whole. Yet still, I am not racist...Somehow. I do not hate black people, I've just had bad experiences with them enough to instinctionally not trust them right off the bat. It's human defense and it's natural. It's how humans first learned that touching fire = bad. It's how you learned that as a baby.

 

 

 

In it's own way, even that is a stereotype, and stereotypes are important to our lives. They're not always fair, but they help. They can also hurt, but they also help. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and if you don't like it, you have to change those around you. If there are 4 whites and 3 are criminals and 1 is not, and a black person is stereotyping all 4 as criminals, it's the job of the one non-criminal to change his peers and thus, change the black person's mind.

 

 

 

...Wait, this is getting so off-topic. :P

 

 

 

As a general rule I try not to stereotype anyone, for any reason. But, you're right, I can't honestly say how I'd react if I was in a position where a stereotype may apply to one group of people. Regardless, I'd still acknowlege that it's unfair to claim I know that all 'x' are 'y' because it's obviously not true. My address of your point was merely to look at it from the point of view of the black person. If you were one and you got stereotyped and were of the position that you see it as ok to stereotype, you should have no qualms in sucking it up, as you say.

 

 

 

This is just the idealist in me. On the whole I don't have too much of an issue to argue here as you acknowlege that you are fully aware that not all blacks are criminals, which is the main point to consider (as I said, not all 'x' are 'y' is the important aspect to acknowledge). I suppose when it comes to stereotypes it's all about keeping them in your conscious thoughts and not coming out of your mouth (I'm not trying to suggest that you do vocalize the stereotypes you see as justified).

 

 

 

Yes, it is unfair to assume it, but we all do it anyways. Even people who claim they aren't prejudice or stereotypers do it. If they're stead-fast that they do not...Just watch them. They can say they do not fear Muslims, for it is only a small minority who blow stuff up (which is true), but if a Muslim in full Islamic get-up gets on a bus and sits next to them, they're PROBABLY going to start sweatin'. ;)

 

 

 

People can't put down their natural defenses no matter how much PC bullcrap is shoved down their throat and they try to accept and believe. It's natural and you shouldn't really be ashamed of it. If these groups of people want to not be stereotyped in such a manner, they should be taking extra precaution in making sure no one in their community is doing such things, and spend less time making sure we're not stereotyping them by saying "Oh, we don't ALL do that...", because as long as one does it, your brain says they all do it, even if you know it's not true.

[Flamecaller]

That's good considering you're not an expert.

 

 

 

I'm trained but I'm not an expert, what exactly is your point again?

 

 

 

This is supposed to be a post about transgender, there's no need to go tangent just because you were proved wrong by calling it a disorder.

 

 

 

...I was "proved wrong"? By whom? You? That's certainly laughable. You "proved me wrong" by saying "This book and this doctor says it's not a disorder." even though if you clearly say the theory on what it is (being born female, but with a male brain) anyone would instantly say "yea, that's a disorder..." just like if you asked them "is being born female with a penis a disorder?" they'd say "Uhhh, yea..."

 

 

 

Please, enlighten us, O' trained one. What exactly IS "transgender" caused by? Oh that's right...Your only other option is to say "it's completely natural!" when clearly it is not, or we'd all want a set of breasts to go with our male genitalia.

 

 

 

Again, more propaganda on your part. "It's natural" you'd surely say, and if not, you'd say it's not natural, but we must accept it for what it is...Essentially agreeing with me and then throwing out common sense.

 

 

 

I see no third option, perhaps you'd like to enlighten me. Open your magical psych book and tell us all that WE'RE the ones with the problem.

 

 

 

Goes to show how messed up our society is. You try to get someone to REALLY think out what their doing and how their feeling before making any irreversible decisions, and you're immediately called a bigot and told to accept them for what they are. Fools.

 

 

 

You seem to be mistaking 'abnormal' for 'disorder'. If anything abnormal was a disorder, then any trait expressed in low frequency in a human population, regardless of it's effects, would be considered a disorder. As disorder must cause distress or disability. Transgender dosen't neccesarily fulfill these requirements, but I suppose you could argue that it possibly can if the dysphoria is strong enough.

 

 

 

I'd say this young girl is in quite a state of distress because of it. Certainly it is "abnormal", but that's by default because the majority are not like this...Hence, it's the opposite of the norm - abnormal. I say it's a disorder because it's your brain telling you that you're something you're not, when you clearly ARE what it's telling you you're not. And if it's really "I'm a female but my brain is male", then that is a birth defect or a disorder anyways.

 

 

 

I don't mean to put her down by saying it's a disorder. She should consider herself lucky that she can live her life as normal as she can now. Some people get disorders they can't live normally with.

[warri0r45]

 

You seem to be mistaking 'abnormal' for 'disorder'. If anything abnormal was a disorder, then any trait expressed in low frequency in a human population, regardless of it's effects, would be considered a disorder. As disorder must cause distress or disability. Transgender dosen't neccesarily fulfill these requirements, but I suppose you could argue that it possibly can if the dysphoria is strong enough.

 

 

 

I'd say this young girl is in quite a state of distress because of it. Certainly it is "abnormal", but that's by default because the majority are not like this...Hence, it's the opposite of the norm - abnormal. I say it's a disorder because it's your brain telling you that you're something you're not, when you clearly ARE what it's telling you you're not. And if it's really "I'm a female but my brain is male", then that is a birth defect or a disorder anyways.

 

 

 

I don't mean to put her down by saying it's a disorder. She should consider herself lucky that she can live her life as normal as she can now. Some people get disorders they can't live normally with.

 

 

 

You're linking to the subject of the topic, which is fine, but my chatter about transgender being a disorder was in a broader sense.

 

 

 

 

Is being transgender a mental disorder?

 

 

 

A psychological condition is considered a mental disorder only if it causes distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their transgender feelings and traits to be distressing or disabling, which implies that being transgender does not constitute a mental disorder per se. For these people, the significant problem is finding the resources, such as hormone treatment, surgery, and the social support they need, in order to express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. However, some transgender people do find their transgender feelings to be distressing or disabling. This is particularly true of transsexuals, who experience their gender identity as incongruent with their birth sex or with the gender role associated with that sex. This distressing feeling of incongruity is called gender dysphoria.

 

 

 

According to the diagnostic standards of American psychiatry, as set forth in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, people who experience intense, persistent gender dysphoria can be given the diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder. This diagnosis is highly controversial among some mental health professionals and transgender people. Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender variance and should be eliminated. Others argue that, because the health care system in the United States requires a diagnosis to justify medical or psychological treatment, it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care.

 

http://www.apa.org/topics/transgender.html

 

 

 

This suggests it's not necessarily a disorder. I don't doubt that at least some transgender individuals can cope without persistant distress or disability because, well, saying they all do would be a stereotype (and untrue, according to the American Psychological Association). :wink:

[Flamecaller]

"Most transgendered people do not consider their feelings to cause distress or be disabling."

 

 

 

That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. This thread is a prime example of how every transgendered person lives. Only AFTER they've changed themselves into a fake former-self are they no longer "distressed". The same could be said for a psychotic person who is distressed by someone, then kills said person and now feels liberated, really...

 

 

 

Still goin' with mental disorder. If only a small portion of people are experiencing it, it's a disorder. The very root of disorder is "dis" as in "no" and "order"...No order. The majority can be looked at as "orderly" because we're all pretty much the same, functionally. I have a hard time believing that something like Autism, which is a minority thing, is a disorder, but transgenderism is "natural" in any way.

[warri0r45]

I'll address #4 since it's really the only one that needs to be...

 

 

 

Black people have their own stereotypes for whites. Being white, I can say most do not apply to me (I'm not "out of get the black man down", for example...Not that anyone is...That is just paranoia/excuses on the part of blacks), but you have to take whatever comes. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch, as they say. When 1/4 of black get sent to prison in their life-time, they're stereotyped as dangerous criminals because a large portion in fact ARE dangerous criminals, however, I'm fully aware that not all are.

 

 

 

However, if someone were to wrong you over and over again and they were all of one race...Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't start to have some sort of spite for that entire race? Surely you can't say you wouldn't for sure. I'll admit it right now that I'm one bad black person encounter away from being a White Nationalist...Actually, no...Those guys are morons too. But I am to the point where a certain group of people have wronged me so many times that it is becoming instinct to not trust them as a whole. Yet still, I am not racist...Somehow. I do not hate black people, I've just had bad experiences with them enough to instinctionally not trust them right off the bat. It's human defense and it's natural. It's how humans first learned that touching fire = bad. It's how you learned that as a baby.

 

 

 

In it's own way, even that is a stereotype, and stereotypes are important to our lives. They're not always fair, but they help. They can also hurt, but they also help. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and if you don't like it, you have to change those around you. If there are 4 whites and 3 are criminals and 1 is not, and a black person is stereotyping all 4 as criminals, it's the job of the one non-criminal to change his peers and thus, change the black person's mind.

 

 

 

...Wait, this is getting so off-topic. :P

 

 

 

As a general rule I try not to stereotype anyone, for any reason. But, you're right, I can't honestly say how I'd react if I was in a position where a stereotype may apply to one group of people. Regardless, I'd still acknowlege that it's unfair to claim I know that all 'x' are 'y' because it's obviously not true. My address of your point was merely to look at it from the point of view of the black person. If you were one and you got stereotyped and were of the position that you see it as ok to stereotype, you should have no qualms in sucking it up, as you say.

 

 

 

This is just the idealist in me. On the whole I don't have too much of an issue to argue here as you acknowlege that you are fully aware that not all blacks are criminals, which is the main point to consider (as I said, not all 'x' are 'y' is the important aspect to acknowledge). I suppose when it comes to stereotypes it's all about keeping them in your conscious thoughts and not coming out of your mouth (I'm not trying to suggest that you do vocalize the stereotypes you see as justified).

 

 

 

Yes, it is unfair to assume it, but we all do it anyways. Even people who claim they aren't prejudice or stereotypers do it. If they're stead-fast that they do not...Just watch them. They can say they do not fear Muslims, for it is only a small minority who blow stuff up (which is true), but if a Muslim in full Islamic get-up gets on a bus and sits next to them, they're PROBABLY going to start sweatin'. ;)

 

 

 

People can't put down their natural defenses no matter how much PC bullcrap is shoved down their throat and they try to accept and believe. It's natural and you shouldn't really be ashamed of it. If these groups of people want to not be stereotyped in such a manner, they should be taking extra precaution in making sure no one in their community is doing such things, and spend less time making sure we're not stereotyping them by saying "Oh, we don't ALL do that...", because as long as one does it, your brain says they all do it, even if you know it's not true.

 

 

 

As I said, as long as you don't vocalise your stereotypes, I've got no particular issue here. By the way your view of it being natural defence is an interesting perspective. I could definately see some truth in that. But, thankfully, our higher intelligence can alert us that slinging stereotypes across racial borders dosen't make for the most peaceful coexistance ever. :wink:

[warri0r45]

"Most transgendered people do not consider their feelings to cause distress or be disabling."

 

 

 

That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. This thread is a prime example of how every transgendered person lives. Only AFTER they've changed themselves into a fake former-self are they no longer "distressed". The same could be said for a psychotic person who is distressed by someone, then kills said person and now feels liberated, really...

 

 

 

Still goin' with mental disorder. If only a small portion of people are experiencing it, it's a disorder. The very root of disorder is "dis" as in "no" and "order"...No order. The majority can be looked at as "orderly" because we're all pretty much the same, functionally. I have a hard time believing that something like Autism, which is a minority thing, is a disorder, but transgenderism is "natural" in any way.

 

 

 

Well, it's your perogative to call the APA liars and go with your opinion. I've got nothing more to say.

[Flamecaller]

"Most transgendered people do not consider their feelings to cause distress or be disabling."

 

 

 

That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. This thread is a prime example of how every transgendered person lives. Only AFTER they've changed themselves into a fake former-self are they no longer "distressed". The same could be said for a psychotic person who is distressed by someone, then kills said person and now feels liberated, really...

 

 

 

Still goin' with mental disorder. If only a small portion of people are experiencing it, it's a disorder. The very root of disorder is "dis" as in "no" and "order"...No order. The majority can be looked at as "orderly" because we're all pretty much the same, functionally. I have a hard time believing that something like Autism, which is a minority thing, is a disorder, but transgenderism is "natural" in any way.

 

 

 

Well, it's your perogative to call the APA liars and go with your opinion. I've got nothing more to say.

 

 

 

I'm not...We can all clearly see by the OP's first post that what they said was not accurate. If someone is willing to be as drastic as to get hormone injections or a sex change, they were clearly distressed about their situation.

[IGoddessI]

Well, it's your perogative to call the APA liars and go with your opinion. I've got nothing more to say.

 

 

 

That's pretty much my opinion too.

[Errdoth]

"Most transgendered people do not consider their feelings to cause distress or be disabling."

 

 

 

That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. This thread is a prime example of how every transgendered person lives. Only AFTER they've changed themselves into a fake former-self are they no longer "distressed". The same could be said for a psychotic person who is distressed by someone, then kills said person and now feels liberated, really...

 

 

 

Still goin' with mental disorder. If only a small portion of people are experiencing it, it's a disorder. The very root of disorder is "dis" as in "no" and "order"...No order. The majority can be looked at as "orderly" because we're all pretty much the same, functionally. I have a hard time believing that something like Autism, which is a minority thing, is a disorder, but transgenderism is "natural" in any way.

 

 

 

Well, it's your perogative to call the APA liars and go with your opinion. I've got nothing more to say.

 

 

 

I'm not...We can all clearly see by the OP's first post that what they said was not accurate. If someone is willing to be as drastic as to get hormone injections or a sex change, they were clearly distressed about their situation.

 

 

 

Distressed really doesn't seem like the right word to use in her case. More like, uncomfortable.

[Flamecaller]

Lets nit-pick words more and address the points less. That sounds fun.

 

 

 

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[Errdoth]

Lets nit-pick words more and address the points less. That sounds fun.

 

 

 

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Hey, all I meant was that it seemed a bit drastic to use distressed in that case.

 

 

 

I have no idea about any of this psychology stuff, hell, I probably couldn't even spell psychology right if it weren't for this spell check, so I don't even want to go there.

[Flamecaller]

Lets nit-pick words more and address the points less. That sounds fun.

 

 

 

...

 

 

 

Hey, all I meant was that it seemed a bit drastic to use distressed in that case.

 

 

 

I have no idea about any of this psychology stuff, hell, I probably couldn't even spell psychology right if it weren't for this spell check, so I don't even want to go there.

 

 

 

I'd say it's beyond uncomfortable when you've forsaken your own parents advice and have already made up your mind about trying to change your sex. That's rather distressful in itself.

[Errdoth]

Lets nit-pick words more and address the points less. That sounds fun.

 

 

 

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Hey, all I meant was that it seemed a bit drastic to use distressed in that case.

 

 

 

I have no idea about any of this psychology stuff, hell, I probably couldn't even spell psychology right if it weren't for this spell check, so I don't even want to go there.

 

 

 

I'd say it's beyond uncomfortable when you've forsaken your own parents advice and have already made up your mind about trying to change your sex. That's rather distressful in itself.

 

 

 

So, if I had a "mental disorder" that my parents, new nothing about, only that it was against a religion that I didn't believe in anyway, and gave me "advice" that I flat-out wasn't allowed to be myself. Not "well, see if it's just a phase, and if it's not when your a bit older, we'll look into it", but not even bothering to learn about it, or give someone the chance to explain it to them, it is definately in my best interests to listen to them?

 

 

 

(Oh, and, I don't want to sound like a [wagon] here, but are you someone's alt, cause you only joined a couple days ago and are already in a good debate, and can actually spell. : )

[Lateralus]

I think I agree with Flamecaller.

 

 

 

By that, of course I'm not saying he's 100% right (this seems to be becoming an essential addition to a post on these boards), but I do share his opinion.

[Flamecaller]

Lets nit-pick words more and address the points less. That sounds fun.

 

 

 

...

 

 

 

Hey, all I meant was that it seemed a bit drastic to use distressed in that case.

 

 

 

I have no idea about any of this psychology stuff, hell, I probably couldn't even spell psychology right if it weren't for this spell check, so I don't even want to go there.

 

 

 

I'd say it's beyond uncomfortable when you've forsaken your own parents advice and have already made up your mind about trying to change your sex. That's rather distressful in itself.

 

 

 

So, if I had a "mental disorder" that my parents, new nothing about, only that it was against a religion that I didn't believe in anyway, and gave me "advice" that I flat-out wasn't allowed to be myself. Not "well, see if it's just a phase, and if it's not when your a bit older, we'll look into it", but not even bothering to learn about it, or give someone the chance to explain it to them, it is definately in my best interests to listen to them?

 

 

 

(Oh, and, I don't want to sound like a [wagon] here, but are you someone's alt, cause you only joined a couple days ago and are already in a good debate, and can actually spell. : )

 

 

 

Has nothin' to do with religion. I'm certainly not a Christian psychologist myself who is just trying to push an agenda, lol.

 

 

 

And I had another account here, but forgot the password. New account. :P

[Errdoth]

Lets nit-pick words more and address the points less. That sounds fun.

 

 

 

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Hey, all I meant was that it seemed a bit drastic to use distressed in that case.

 

 

 

I have no idea about any of this psychology stuff, hell, I probably couldn't even spell psychology right if it weren't for this spell check, so I don't even want to go there.

 

 

 

I'd say it's beyond uncomfortable when you've forsaken your own parents advice and have already made up your mind about trying to change your sex. That's rather distressful in itself.

 

 

 

So, if I had a "mental disorder" that my parents, new nothing about, only that it was against a religion that I didn't believe in anyway, and gave me "advice" that I flat-out wasn't allowed to be myself. Not "well, see if it's just a phase, and if it's not when your a bit older, we'll look into it", but not even bothering to learn about it, or give someone the chance to explain it to them, it is definately in my best interests to listen to them?

 

 

 

(Oh, and, I don't want to sound like a [wagon] here, but are you someone's alt, cause you only joined a couple days ago and are already in a good debate, and can actually spell. : )

 

 

 

Has nothin' to do with religion. I'm certainly not a Christian psychologist myself who is just trying to push an agenda, lol.

 

 

 

And I had another account here, but forgot the password. New account. :P

 

 

 

But I thought the whole reason their parent's rejected them is because of religion? :-s