jcube69 0 Posted January 16, 2008 version history~~~~~~~ 1.121~~ because of the calculation error the most expensve is now the compost mound at 88gp\xp and as such i changed the total price of summoning 1.12~~ fixed a huge mistake in my calcualtions i had the macaw priced at 111gp\xp ea when in reality it is 54gp\xp ea this is a very big mistake and a great thanks too Olliegod for finding it. 1.1~~made a new table showing the future "reduced prices" cost contents [ @# ]........the splinters of summoning ----------[ @#.1 ].....skip my boring "math part and head straight to prices. [ @$ ].......my comments [ @% ]......list of the gp\xp rate of all summoning monsters what you came here for ---------[ @%.1 ]why i did not add seconds quotes.....smart ideas or thoughts that may shed light on a gloomy first day [spt]special thanks--for those who have helped fix somethign or shed wisdom that helps all [ @# ]The Splinters of summoning for like the last hour i calculated the gp/xp of every last summoning monster (jsut to make the pouches) i ONLY did gp/xp for the shards alone I DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SECONDS anyways wht i found is that the cheapest you will ever get summoning to 99 is by the spirit daganaoth, whos shard gp\xp game out to be 0.14 gp/xp. now u cant do dags till ur lv 82 wich is 2,421,087xp so u still got about 11m xp to go...if you could do these from lv 1 (but because of the "2m xp" needed it will be more) to 99 it would still cost u 1,787k...now if u bought the daganoth hides (about 36k of em) that would be 36m...but 36k hides would not be to hard to get...the charms would be the worst. the most expensive way to 99 would be useing the compost mound to lv whos total gp\xp price comes to a woophing! 88gp\xp u can create compost mounds pouches at lv 28summoning ..if u were to train from lv 1-99 useing compsot mounds[hide=side comment] (the most expensive gp\xp.... this is even is worse than rune minotaurs + bars together although they surpriseingly only go to about 16gp\xp with bars)[/hide] it would cost a huge 1,147,656,840......considering max gp in bank is only around 2.14b that is an unbelivable amount to train a skill just to 13mxp.....no where near the coveted 200m cap that locks you into place [ @#.1 ]that means the price range from 1-99 could be AT ITS LOWEST a small 1,787k all the way to 1.14b with the minum of this increased by at least 3-12m(barker toads and war totoises) and thus they are the splinters of summoning..aka the one thing that sticks to it most people call it the "catch" EDIT: when the price of shards get halved this rpice will change as the spirit daganoth's gp\xp rate goes down to .07 and the compost mound goes down to 44gp\ea wich makes the NEW PRICE RANGE 912k to a smaller but still massive 573.8m [ @$ ]~~off topic my comments~~ now obviously u wouldnt train construction with magic crystals as u wouldnt train summoning with compsot mounds. but in a sense were i only have shown the MAIN ingredient and havent even gotten to the seconds? i mean seriously..this is not like con were we get xp per plank it all depends on wht we make. i do love this new skill it seems very interesting but i belive as im sure the majority of runescapers that this is gone a bit far. i dont mind this skill by its expense, eventualy we will all get there if we play long enough. but unlike con we not only have a huge price but of course the minumom of around 36k "charms" to get...and to get 100 can take hours. i can understand why they put the charms in. basicaly so the rich couldn't buy the skill all from the ge theyd have to spend a month or 2 collecting "charms" but this skill will be one skill that deffinatly favors the "dead" ,but still rich, merchants of the land. and for my last few words.. iron minotaurs...it jsut so happens i have 18k iorn bars in my bank that i thought i could use to train my summoning way up..there avrg gp rate was 16gp\xp..the total cost just to gain about 7.4mxp would be about 144m...i just scratch a third of that useing my net wealth (about 50m) [ @% ]~~~work~~~ i know many peopl have posted rants about prices but this is just to give a general idea of the prices. i have also decided to include my "work" of gp\xp for each summoning monster (shards only) feel free to use it any way u like weather it be for personal uses or to make a guide. just please give me credit dont take it as your own it did take quite awhile to finish again this is to get a general understanding of the prices per familiar. it may help you understand what not to go with or what is somethign good to go with that wont make u send million out of the game. [ @%.1 ] [hide=i did not add second for 2 reasons] 1.) seconds mabye be bought or picked yup easyly converted into the gp\xp form take rune minotaurs for example rune minotaur/50/756.8--0.066gp/xp great if u got a few k ruen bars laying around but chances are you dont so if we take 12k normal price of a ruen bars and divde that by 756.8 (so we can get gp\xp that it lends) then we add the .066 to the gp\xp of ruen bar we get about 16-17gp\xp....about the sma price as numerous other familiars the only diffence is that you would make less trips to altar and of course level faster....o yea did i mention ud need less charms too? thats a ig bonus 2.) this is a general understanding of how much it will cost no matter what..there is now way to make it cost less than 1.44b if u make macaws...this way you ahve a general idea of the minumum ud spends if u got your own ingredients...a good way to paln it out aswel not to mention seconds may flucuate just like herblorel[/hide] the following list is ordered as follows. from top; lv 1 spirit wolf--bottom lv 96 yak-pack from lowest to higest [hide=gold pices per experience] monster/shard price/xp given--price per xp (total shard price\total xp) spirit wolf/350/4.8--------73gp/xp dreadfowl/400/9.3------- 43gp/xp spirit spider/400/12.6----32gp/xp thorny snail/450/12.6--36gp/xp granite crab/350/21.6--17gp/xp Desert wyrm/2,250/31.2--73gp/xp spirit scorpion/2,850/83.2--35gp/xp albino rat/3,750/202.4--19gp/xp spirit kalphite/2,550/220--12gp/xp compost mound/4,350/49.8--88gp/xp vampire bat/4,050/136--30gp/xp honey badger/4,200/140.8--30gp/xp beaver/3,600/57.6--63gp/xp bronze minotaur/5,100/316.8--17gp/xp bull ant/550/52.8--11gp/xp macaw/3,900/72.4--54gp/xp evil turnip/5,200/184.8--29gp/xp spirit cockatrice/4,400/75.2--59gp/xp iron minotaur/6,250/404.8--16gp/xp magpie/4,400/83.2--53gp/xp bloated leech/5,850/215.2--28gp/xp spirit terrorbird/700/68.4--11gp/xp abyssal parasite/5,300/94.8--56gp/xp spirit jelly/7,550/484--16gp/xp lbis/5,450/98.8--56gp/xp stell minotaur/7,050/492.8--15gp/xp karamthulu overlord/7,200/510.4--15gp/xp smoke devil/7,050/268--27gp/xp abyssal lurker/5,950/163.2--37gp/xp spirit cobra/5,800/276.8--21gp/xp stranger plant/6,400/281.6--23gp/xp barker toad/500/87--6gp/xp mithril minotaur/7,600/580.8--14gp/xp war tortoise/50/58.6--1gp/xp bunyip/5,500/119.2--47gp/xp fruit bat/6,500/121.2--54gp/xp arctic bear/700/93.2--8gp/xp granite lobster/8,300/325.6--26gp/xp praying mantis/8,400/329.6--26gp/xp adamant minotaur/7,200/668.8--11gp/xp giant ent/4,700/136.8--35gp/xp hydra/6400/140.8--46gp/xp spirit daganoth/50/364.8--0.14 gp/xp rune minotaur/50/756.8--0.066gp/xp unicorn stallion/7,000/154.4--46gp/xp wolpertinger/10,150/404.8--26gp/xp packyak/10550/422.4--25gp/xp [/hide] the following version is for when the prices are "halved" acording to jagex IMPORTANT! this may effect the cost of some mosnter. this skill (if they actualy half the price) will be ALOT easyer to train so some thigns are most likely to get nerfed or remain the same as previous version or worse [hide=gold pices per experience] monster/shard price/xp given--price perxp(sp\xp) spirit wolf/175/4.8-- 37gp/xp dreadfowl/200/9.3-- 22gp/xp spirit spider/200/12.6--16gp/xp thorny snail/225/12.6--18gp/xp granite crab/175/21.6--9gp/xp Desert wyrm/1,125/31.2--37gp/xp spirit scorpion/1,425/83.2--18gp/xp albino rat/1,875/202.4--10gp/xp spirit kalphite/1,275/220--6gp/xp compost mound/2,175/49.8--44gp/xp vampire bat/2,025/136--15gp/xp honey badger/2,100/140.8--15gp/xp beaver/1,800/57.6--32gp/xp bronze minotaur/2,550/316.8--9gp/xp bull ant/275/52.8--6gp/xp macaw/1,950/72.4--27gp/xp evil turnip/2,600/184.8--15gp/xp spirit cockatrice/2,200/75.2--30gp/xp iron minotaur/3,625/404.8--8gp/xp magpie/2,200/83.2--27gp/xp bloated leech/2,925/215.2--15gp/xp spirit terrorbird/350/68.4--6gp/xp abyssal parasite/2,650/94.8--28gp/xp spirit jelly/3,775/484--8gp/xp lbis/2,735/98.8--28gp/xp stell minotaur/3,525/492.8--8gp/xp karamthulu overlord/3,600/510.4--8gp/xp smoke devil/3,525/268--14gp/xp abyssal lurker/3,975/163.2--19gp/xp spirit cobra/2,900/276.8--11gp/xp stranger plant/3,200/281.6--12gp/xp barker toad/500/87--3gp/xp mithril minotaur/3,800/580.8--7gp/xp war tortoise/25/58.6--.5gp/xp bunyip/2,750/119.2--24gp/xp fruit bat/3,250/121.2--27gp/xp arctic bear/350/93.2--4gp/xp granite lobster/4,150/325.6--13gp/xp praying mantis/4,200/329.6--13gp/xp adamant minotaur/3,600/668.8--6gp/xp giant ent/2,350/136.8--18gp/xp hydra/3,200/140.8--23gp/xp spirit daganoth/20/364.8--0.07gp/xp (chances of getting nerfed high rune minotaur/25/756.8--0.033gp/xp unicorn stallion/3,500/154.4--23gp/xp wolpertinger/5,075/404.8--13gp/xp packyak/5,275/422.4--13gp/xp [/hide] ~~~~~~~~~~~quotes~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excellent, so summoning is really just an expensive skill at first. Eventually it just becomes a mass charm-gathering spree. [spt]~~~special thanks~~~ Olliegod-- for catching a huge error on my part plz excuse my lacke of grammer (im not very good with it) and its 4:14am.....if any one owuld like to revise it for me that would be wonder full mega thanks ^.^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcher 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Well this does help a little, but you really need to facture the seconds. They be the main reason not to use that monster for training. Like the bull ant the requires marigold, it looks like a good deal, but you know how hard it would be to even get the marigold? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Solidus_77 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Excellent, so summoning is really just an expensive skill at first. Eventually it just becomes a mass charm-gathering spree. 76th to reach 99 Construction on 6th of February 2007379th to reach 99 Runecrafting on 4th of November 2007 Finally the secrets of goal achieving are revealed! (give my guide a read :^_^: ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 16, 2008 true i agree with u fully but the main reason is there are some players out there that woul actually get all the ingredients....yes the bul lant is one example that would be almost impossible but take a look at the bronze minotaur i belive its 17gpea....there are a few shops in rs that sell bronze bars or like 20 ea so it might raise the price to 18gp\xp but its worth it cause its quick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Excellent, so summoning is really just an expensive skill at first. Eventually it just becomes a mass charm-gathering spree. yes and no depends on wht u make but that first 2m xp is a killer..... in all honesty daganoth hides are not very ahrd to get its a great way to go. i ehar alot of peopl freaking out about the rune minotaur like omg wht a wast no 1 will ever train with it.....well if you area hi lv smither pricsilla for exaple u may have a few k rune bars laying around.....factor rune bar price into the gp\xp i thik rune minotaurs are only like 15-16gp\xp.....same as iorn or bronze exept ud havt to do less laods to lv..and obviously ud have less pouches once again im good with numbers not words..and i type faster than i should sry -.- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Solidus_77 0 Posted January 16, 2008 no, there arn't any shops that sell bronze bars. yes and no depends on wht u make but that first 2m xp is a killer..... in all honesty daganoth hides are not very ahrd to get its a great way to go. Yeah, that's why i set aside 100m for summoning : i ehar alot of peopl freaking out about the rune minotaur like omg wht a wast no 1 will ever train with it.....well if you area hi lv smither pricsilla for exaple u may have a few k rune bars laying around.....factor rune bar price into the gp\xp i thik rune minotaurs are only like 15-16gp\xp.....same as iorn or bronze exept ud havt to do less laods to lv..and obviously ud have less pouches Well the rune minotaurs seem more useful in combat than for grinding purposes along with a lot of the other things. 76th to reach 99 Construction on 6th of February 2007379th to reach 99 Runecrafting on 4th of November 2007 Finally the secrets of goal achieving are revealed! (give my guide a read :^_^: ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 16, 2008 yes there is unless they removed it for summoning the shop on karjama..same one used to unote ess if nat runing sells bronze bars..think its that one but there is 1 or 2 that do edit: nvm u are right there is nor store that sells bronze bars anymore they msut of taken them out when infin stock was added...i havetn need a bronze bar in a long time so ii never noticed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rft 0 Posted January 16, 2008 this is an incredibly useful thread, good job! it does indeed go to show that there is cheaper xp at higher levels, particularly the monsters that only cost 1 shard each Best Barrows Chest: guth skirt, dh helm, dh axe, racks, gp (23/08/06); best tt reward: robin, guthix helm, guthix legs, nats, rune legs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowbot 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Excellent. I was going to do this myself in excel but youve saved me the trouble. Great info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 16, 2008 you guys are welcome... i wanted to do this in excel i could of posted the table i made then and you could easaly convert it to add seconds..but i dont have excel....so i used word pad ^.^ edit: omfg no way i just read new update about shard prices and wewwwttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......i get busy updateing my table with halved prices Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 16, 2008 version 1.1 updated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 have fun with the drasticaly reduced chart ^.^ i know iwill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meb 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Gl gathering 36k Dagannoth hides, that's madness #-o . Retired 2146 overall - 136 combat - 6 skillcapes Plus I think the whole teenage girl thing will end soon (hopefully), because my girlfriend is absolutely in love with him(she is 18), and im beginning to feel threatened by his [Justin Bieber] dashing looks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 17, 2008 not really same principle of a rc crafting nats to 99 sept u got to use more food Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olliegod 0 Posted January 17, 2008 I believe your calculations for Macaws are wrong. The Knowledge Base says they need 78 shards. Your table has them at 158 shards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 17, 2008 yup you are right my firs mistake...lol big one at that i added an extra 100 shards..opps ill fix it and make note that you caught it tyvm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olliegod 0 Posted January 17, 2008 I suggest you recheck the whole table. Your shards for the Compost Mound are incorrect too. You have them at 87 shards, it's 47. And you put in the gp/xp figure from the old table anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 17, 2008 darn it...nah i ddont need ot rechek it i new i made a few msitakes ill fix it later tho bsy atm ty for findeing it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheezekillz 0 Posted January 17, 2008 Ya i think you really have to factor in the secondary ingredients cause thats actually where most of the costs lie. For example you say compost mounds are the most expensive method but in reality they arent that expensive because the compost are really easy to get (buy from shops). Other secondary ingredients such as mith, addy, or rune bars are a lot more expensive. However the reason they are more expensive is because the charms give you a lot of experience. Making a mithril minotaur will give you 580 experience in comparison to Granite Crabs which only gives 21.6 experience. Therefore one Blue Charm = 26.8 Gold Charms. So Basically more expensive pouches will generally save you time on collecting charms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcube69 0 Posted January 17, 2008 darn it...nah i ddont need ot rechek it i new i made a few msitakes ill fix it later tho bsy atm ty for findeing it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
