Melee Void Setup at Waterfiends

[urza88]

Which would give more crimsons charms per hour?

 

 

 

Have maxed melee stats, will be using super attacks and strengths (repotting at 108), and can survive without protection prayers when using a unicorn.

 

 

 

SGS, Melee Void, Piety

 

or

 

Z-spear, Melee Void, Piety (w/ SGS Specs)

 

 

 

Currently get around 75 crimsons/hr with SGS/Void/No prayer, and around 88 crimsons/hr using SGS/Void/10 or 15% strength prayer. I haven't unlocked Piety yet, but would like to get a feel for the improvements when Piety is used.

 

 

 

Thanks!

[Dire_Wolf]

Which would give more crimsons charms per hour?

 

 

 

Have maxed melee stats, will be using super attacks and strengths (repotting at 108), and can survive without protection prayers when using a unicorn.

 

 

 

SGS, Melee Void, Piety

 

or

 

Z-spear, Melee Void, Piety (w/ SGS Specs)

 

 

 

Currently get around 75 crimsons/hr with SGS/Void/No prayer, and around 88 crimsons/hr using SGS/Void/10 or 15% strength prayer. I haven't unlocked Piety yet, but would like to get a feel for the improvements when Piety is used.

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

Z-spear has proven to be cheapest and best option, but bring SGS for the specs sake. Be aware, without piety Void don't work well.

 

 

 

Here's a setup if you won't use Void:

 

Dwarven helmet (+6 crush and +3 magical defense , Grim tales quest)

 

Karil top

 

Karil bottom

 

Dragon boots

 

Fury/Glory

 

Z-spear

 

Fire cape>Trimmed skillcape>Skillcape>God cape

 

Barrow gloves>(i am bad at gloves>.<)

 

 

 

Inventory you must figure out yourself, but you will definitely need swallow scrolls if your gonna kill them without prayer potions using bunyip. You can also use prayer potion (To me it helped well), and i got 75-110 Crimson every trip and at average 85 crimson. When using Bunyip and prayer potions, you will not need any form of healing though i recommend a antishield in your bag at all time.

 

 

 

With SGS special a friend managed to use very little prayer.

 

 

Pietying and what i think about it

 

Personally i think Piety can be a good thing, but you need to be good at preserving the prayer by turning piety off and on at good time. In other words, Pietying means you must be very focused.

 

 

 

If you are not focused you will be wasting prayer potions easily. I do non Piety, as i gotta say Piety is a big drainer. Even without Piety i get like i said: 75-110 Crimson per waterfiend trip (2 bunyips, 6 prayer potion and 1 super att+str).

[sadukar123]

If you Dharok them, you can get around 100 per hour.

 

 

 

http://www.truthscape.com/forum/viewtop ... f=7&t=1963

[ghjkl]

If you dharok them, you will die and lose 160k repairing like me, I guarantee that you will die at least once.

 

With unicorn, sgs for specs, sara sword, and without void, I usually manage 65k exp per hour and 100 crims an hour (90 a trip) using 10% str prayer. When I had my void, I got around 68k exp per hour and 105 crimson per hour using the same thing. Basically for melee void, use basically the normal setup, but swap the stuff for void. There really isn't anything special.

 

I wouldn't bother using void, as I had to pray way more using it than without, and since I kill them in pvp worlds, way more dangerous.

 

Pietying isn't worth it, 12 more prayer pots an hour, aswell as taking 2 trips to use "1" unicorn's time, you end up with 115 crims without void and 120 with void, so you are basically paying 10k for 10 more crims.

[bedman]

I recently timed some waterfiends trips and got these results:

 

 

 

Void, Z spear, Piety, Unicorn

 

112 crimsons an hour

 

45-50 min trips

 

(sgs for specs, 11 prayer pots, 2 s restores, 2 brews in stead of s def)

 

 

 

Void, SGS, Piety, Unicorn

 

104 crimsons an hour

 

55-60 min trips

 

(sgs for specs, 11 prayer pots, 2 s restores, 2 brews in stead of s def)

 

 

 

Both tests were conducted on an emtpy world. I started timing as soon as I hit the first fiend, and stopped timing as soon as I picked up my last drop and tele'd. (so no banking time included)

 

I did more tests, with similar results. The ones I'm posting here were those for optimal conditions.

 

 

 

Also, I get like 170-250k worth of drops per trip, which more than pays for the pots.

 

 

 

I don't have any non piety results yet.

[urza88]

Interesting, I would have thought that a GS would be superior with piety and void; apparently not.

 

 

 

I did some preliminary tests yesterday using Z-spear/Void/10 or 15% Strength Prayer. Obtained around 84 crimsons/hr, which isn't too far off the 88 crimsons/hr when using an SGS. Seems that there is less than a 10% variance in crimsons/hr using either weapon, with or without piety.

 

[Numbers were scaled to 60mins from crimsons obtained within the 54min lifespan of a unicorn familiar]

 

 

 

Guess I'll unlock Piety later this week, do a few trips and crunch some numbers, and post the results when I get them.

 

 

 

BTW, any thoughts on using Piety only after freshly potting (say till ~112), then switching to 15% strength until repotting at 108, just to optimize the usage of prayer pots?

 

 

 

If you dharok them, you will die and lose 160k repairing like me, I guarantee that you will die at least once.

 

I wouldn't bother using void, as I had to pray way more using it than without, and since I kill them in pvp worlds, way more dangerous.

 

Pietying isn't worth it, 12 more prayer pots an hour, aswell as taking 2 trips to use "1" unicorn's time, you end up with 115 crims without void and 120 with void, so you are basically paying 10k for 10 more crims.

 

I don't intend to Dharok, haven't needed to even flick on protection prayers in my last 5 waterfiend trips using void, and would gladly pay a measly 10k for 10 more crimsons per trip :D

[bedman]

Interesting, I would have thought that a GS would be superior with piety and void; apparently not.

 

 

 

I did some preliminary tests yesterday using Z-spear/Void/10 or 15% Strength Prayer. Obtained around 84 crimsons/hr, which isn't too far off the 88 crimsons/hr when using an SGS. Seems that there is less than a 10% variance in crimsons/hr using either weapon, with or without piety.

 

[Numbers were scaled to 60mins from crimsons obtained within the 54min lifespan of a unicorn familiar]

 

 

 

Guess I'll unlock Piety later this week, do a few trips and crunch some numbers, and post the results when I get them.

 

 

 

BTW, any thoughts on using Piety only after freshly potting (say till ~112), then switching to 15% strength until repotting at 108, just to optimize the usage of prayer pots?

 

 

 

If you dharok them, you will die and lose 160k repairing like me, I guarantee that you will die at least once.

 

I wouldn't bother using void, as I had to pray way more using it than without, and since I kill them in pvp worlds, way more dangerous.

 

Pietying isn't worth it, 12 more prayer pots an hour, aswell as taking 2 trips to use "1" unicorn's time, you end up with 115 crims without void and 120 with void, so you are basically paying 10k for 10 more crims.

 

I don't intend to Dharok, haven't needed to even flick on protection prayers in my last 5 waterfiend trips using void, and would gladly pay a measly 10k for 10 more crimsons per trip :D

 

 

 

Yeah, there is a difference. At first, I thought there wasn't (or a very small one), but afterwards, I realised that was because I didn't have optimal conditions when taking the data for the z spear. After a few trips, I had an "ultimate z spear" trip to compare to my "ultimate sgs trip".

 

Generally speaking, I think the difference is around 5-10 crimsons an hour.

 

 

 

Also, I think he meant 100k for 10 more crimsons.

 

 

 

Lastly, on the 15% prayer thingy. I wouldn't know. Simply pietying all the time seems the easiest and really, i more than break even, so I dont mind.