A rant

[milky155]

The oldest update i could remember while playing was the bridge update in Lumbridge. I've been playing for some time before that, but I honestly can't remember. That bridge signified to me a whole start of updates. "Back in the day" before all the changes I liked playing Runescape. The community was good, there were censors, and I even laughed at the (few) attempts to steal my account or spam me, even though this was after miniclip introduced a series of players into Runescape. I loved playing back then, when all that bothered me was trying to get my levels up. I've met one of my best friends in Runescape ( not knowing him in the real world). All of a sudden, that changed. I've been taking breaks from Runescape in that period of time. When I came back after one, it was January, two weeks after player killing was banned. How I found out was quite humorous actually since I lost my full rune making pizzas in the wilderness when a revenant killed me, which was kind of stupid. Everyone sees a deterioration of friends as they stop playing, but I was shocked when out of my full friends list, only my best friend Bart was still playing. He told me all the changes that have happened. I was shocked, but hoped that it would improve. Runescape continued to change. An effective communist (in my book) takeover of the player economy which was soothed somewhat by Grand Exchange, bounty hunter, which most of you have probably read about in previous rants, and a staking limit, although since it was opened to free players I didn't mind, until I got bored with it. None of my friends came back because of the player killing ban, even after a new player verse player system was introduced. What happened to this game? It seemed no one played for fun anymore. Free players received mini games which were previously members. What is this, a bribe to keep playing? Runescape has changed, and I'm not sure if it's for the worse or for the better. I'm not sure whether to continue playing or quit. I just don't know. I do realize that it's just a game and sooner or later it will end. I hope it will end well and good, despite the changes. Some of you may question the purposes of this rant. Well, it was simply a rant. I hope you can relate to it.

[pureprayer]

r0flr0flr0flr0flr0flr0flr0flr0flr0flr0flr0flrf0l who names their kid bart LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Ok kidding welcome to the forum.

 

 

 

One bright side is the GE and less/no autoers.

 

 

 

PS: You should quit runescape before you get addicted. Quit now. RUN.

[compfreak847]

Main points, for those who don't want to bother reading:

 

 

 

He thinks the bridge update started off a chain of updates that:

 

* Ruined the RS community

 

* Made all his friends quit

 

* Made him lose full rune when a Reverant killed him

 

* Turned Jagex into "communists"

 

* "Bribed" FTP by giving them updates

 

 

 

Now, a rebuttal to those points:

 

#1, all the updates you mentioned DRASTICALLY improved the RS community. By letting clans in, Jagex promoted teamwork and reliance on others. With lootshare\coinshare, they provided a simple and scam-free way to distribute drops through teams. With many, many team based updates, they forced players to HAVE to work together in order to get rewards

 

 

 

#2, People change. People quit. New people come in. The updates have both matured the community and expanded it, so you should have even more friends now

 

 

 

#3, That's your own fault. There's warning signs plastered like billboards all over

 

 

 

#4, Do you know what communism is? It's a form of government where a private individual cannot own his or her own items, and anything that individual produces is split up among every person in the community. Now, last time I bought dragon claws, I got them and not every single RS player - it's nothing remotely resembling communism, and you are obviously clueless as to what communism actually is.

 

 

 

#5, It's a form of throwing FTP a bone. They're trying to get them to upgrade to members by inticing them with cool features, that's the whole POINT of FTP!

 

 

 

Sorry, but I completely disagree with every part of this rant for the above reasons. Feel free to offer a rebuttal, or more likely, never return to this thread again like so many other "post and leave" people.

[Zaaps1]

WALL OF TEXT!!!!!! Thank you compfreak!

 

 

 

Main points, for those who don't want to bother reading:

 

 

 

He thinks the bridge update started off a chain of updates that:

 

* Ruined the RS community

 

* Made all his friends quit

 

* Made him lose full rune when a Reverant killed him

 

* Turned Jagex into "communists"

 

* "Bribed" FTP by giving them updates

 

 

 

Now, a rebuttal to those points:

 

#1, all the updates you mentioned DRASTICALLY improved the RS community. By letting clans in, Jagex promoted teamwork and reliance on others. With lootshare\coinshare, they provided a simple and scam-free way to distribute drops through teams. With many, many team based updates, they forced players to HAVE to work together in order to get rewards

 

 

 

#2, People change. People quit. New people come in. The updates have both matured the community and expanded it, so you should have even more friends now

 

 

 

#3, That's your own fault. There's warning signs plastered like billboards all over

 

 

 

#4, Do you know what communism is? It's a form of government where a private individual cannot own his or her own items, and anything that individual produces is split up among every person in the community. Now, last time I bought dragon claws, I got them and not every single RS player - it's nothing remotely resembling communism, and you are obviously clueless as to what communism actually is.

 

 

 

#5, It's a form of throwing FTP a bone. They're trying to get them to upgrade to members by inticing them with cool features, that's the whole POINT of FTP!

 

 

 

Sorry, but I completely disagree with every part of this rant for the above reasons. Feel free to offer a rebuttal, or more likely, never return to this thread again like so many other "post and leave" people.

 

 

 

I pretty much agree with all of this. Jagex has done what they had to do. Mod MMG has stated that there was no better way, and they would have done what they did no matter what.

[milky155]

Note Compfreak. Number 1- If you read my rant instead of skimming over it and listing 'points' you would realise that i said signify , e.g. stand for something else. I also meant by communist as a taking away of liberties and freedom. Of course you couldn't know that as not reading, so to be fair, I'll make another contrast. Runescape has attempted to make a carefully controlled and safe environment, a utopia. Unintentionally or not, in the process they are stripping away basic freedoms by using solutions that put a block on multiple areas that undoubtedly don't make a few of us happy. They also haven't been looking at the last few attempts to make one. There are more intricate solutions than the ones Jagex are using.

 

 

 

I actually used the losing full rune as an example of how things changed. It is kind of shocking when you see an NPC walk through a closed door and killing you in three hits, no?

 

 

 

Also, people leaving and coming? Don't make me laugh. People may be coming, but not in the numbers that they used to. When was the last time you have seen a new max players on notice on the front page of Runescape.com? Probably around 2007. I would post a link, but for some reason I can't find it.

 

 

 

As for the last so called 'point', why are they throwing us a bone when they specifically stated that member benefits are for members only. I'm pretty sure that if player killing was still in its original form, than we wouldn't have minigames.

 

 

 

All my friends quit as a result of the changes, not that the changes made them. If you tell me that no one has quit because of some of these updates, than obviously you need to reacquaint yourself to the world. Feel free to read these comments and correct your own.

[compfreak847]

I read the whole thing, 3 times to try and make my way through the haze of run on sentences and total lack of punctuation or grammar.

 

 

 

Runescape continued to change. An effective communist (in my book) takeover of the player economy

 

Perhaps you should show me where the word 'signify' exists in that particular sentence, I can't seem to locate it.

 

 

 

 

I actually used the losing full rune as an example of how things changed. It is kind of shocking when you see an NPC walk through a closed door and killing you in three hits, no?

 

Maybe you could explain how the shock is greater then seeing yourself 1 hit by an AGS spec at 60 HP. Reverants are a PKer replacement, and they are listed as 'dangerous' for a reason :roll:

 

 

 

 

Also, people leaving and coming? Don't make me laugh. People may be coming, but not in the numbers that they used to. When was the last time you have seen a new max players on notice on the front page of Runescape.com? Probably around 2007. I would post a link, but for some reason I can't find it.

 

I'll save you the trouble. Try http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/runescape.com, as relating to daily traffic details. As mentioned in various newsposts, RS is experiencing its typical 22% per year growth in members, and it didn't earn the #6 rank in yahoo search for nothing. Much as you may hate to admit it, RS isn't dying.

 

 

 

 

As for the last so called 'point', why are they throwing us a bone when they specifically stated that member benefits are for members only. I'm pretty sure that if player killing was still in its original form, than we wouldn't have minigames.

 

What the heck are you doing trying to tie 'minigames' into 'player killing'? The SOLE goal of FTP is to get people to sign up for members. The ONLY goal. Look at their revenue charts, as taken from financial statements:

 

 

Yeah, that little avenue comes from FTP advertising - and that INCLUDES advertising on the main site. Don't try and pull the "FTP ads pay for itself" argument, look at the server costs:

 

 

The sole goal of FTP is to lure people into members. Period.

 

 

 

 

All my friends quit as a result of the changes, not that the changes made them. If you tell me that no one has quit because of some of these updates, than obviously you need to reacquaint yourself to the world. Feel free to read these comments and correct your own.

 

That's your friends choice, Jagex isn't responsible for it. It's a plain fact that a low percentage of people quit as the result of the PKing updates, and the surge of new players created by the updates far overrode it - as well as KEEPING THE GAME ACCEPTING CREDIT CARDS. Do you know how many people pay by credit card? Hint: A lot. Madison already stated that they would be forced to end credit card payments within 6 months due to credit card fraud from RWT if they didn't do anything; you can bet your life far, FAR would be gone now then if they hadn't done that.

 

 

 

On the good side, you've actually come back to defender your post, so kudos for that. Expect a long, long argument with me ending either in you proving me wrong on a few small points in the next 40 pages, or me proving you wrong. I can't wait, I love a good debate :twisted:

[josh181830]

Compfreak can't lose an arguement... don't even try :oops:

[compfreak847]

Compfreak can't lose an arguement... don't even try :oops:

 

Shhh... he's new, and all the older members refuse to argue with me. Don't discourage him, I haven't had a good debate in days :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Note to milky: if you plan to end this argument by flaming me for being a no life\nerd\geek\dork\whatever, forget about it. It's what usually happens, and I'm none of the above - I'm happily married with kids, with a good job (computer consultant) with flexible hours that lets me play RS to pass the time at work.

 

 

 

Just getting this out of the way so we can get down to arguing \

[Zierro]

What's so bad about a bridge update? Unless Lumbridge used to be called "Lum" back then, what's the big deal?

 

 

 

Maybe you're just taking symbolism the wrong way. The right way to take that bridge update is that Jagex is subliminally telling people like you to "build a bridge and get over it".

[Jacks0n]

What's next, 'Herblaw' and 'Fire Making'? :ohnoes:

[milky155]

For your first question, its actually in the third sentence, and is actually in the perfect past tense I think. I'll brush over my Latin to check.

 

 

 

As for revenants, why would Jagex place something completely overpowered in free to play? Dangerous in runescape would be having a risk of dieing, not a whim of a chance of killing the said "replacement". In free to play, it's rare that a lone player could kill a revenant.

 

 

 

Also, a 22 percent growth in members? Do you mean free to play or paying to play? Jagex's long boast of over two million registered members hardly impresses me, since I severely doubt that all of these are active. A 22 percent increase of year would make sense, since so many people left. A percentage is a fraction of a whole and as the whole decreases, the percentage increases. For example-

 

 

 

1/8= 12.5 percent.

 

1/7= around 14 percent.

 

 

 

As for me trying to tie mini games with player to player killing, I was actually viewing it as a reimbursement of sorts, and a rather bad one at that.

 

 

 

For free to play not paying itself, they are actually the basis of the members economy. Would you stick around if you had to mine all the essence, which turns into runes, which probably high alched the thousands of items whose revenue your probably now using to buy sharks?

 

 

 

I'm not saying that Jagex caused my friends to quit, their changes did. As I said, intentionally or not, they are stripping away basic freedoms that caused my friends to quit.

 

 

 

I also noticed that you entirely skipped over my point about the utopia. Do you find this correct? I also like a good debate, but if it ends this quickly at that point... well, what can I say?

 

 

 

I apologize for the bad language, I was typing that post late at night :roll: .

[milky155]

And compfreak, the only time I will ever flame is when I commit arson, and I will never commit arson \ .

 

 

 

Zierro, I never said the bridge was a bad update. If you can find where I said that, then I'll eat my CPU.

[Omali]

, it was January, two weeks after player killing was banned.

 

None of my friends came back because of the player killing ban

 

 

 

Any rage I'd have is offset by the hilarity of your ignorance. It must be very blissful.

 

 

 

An effective communist (in my book) takeover

 

 

 

Except your book is one page, is written in crayon, and has all the insight of an episode of Sesame Street.

 

 

 

I always love these philosophical threads. Listening to a 10 year old ponder whether he still likes Runescape, as if its some mystical question

 

 

 

I also meant by communist as a taking away of liberties and freedom

 

 

 

So basically you have no idea what communism is. I r kewl gui, i reference everyting 2 communism. I can haz kewlenss nao?

 

 

 

Of course you couldn't know that as not reading,

 

 

 

Ironic, considering if you'd read the Runescape vs RWT diaries, you wouldn't be so ignorant of the situation.

 

 

 

Also, people leaving and coming? Don't make me laugh. People may be coming, but not in the numbers that they used to. When was the last time you have seen a new max players on notice on the front page of Runescape.com? Probably around 2007. I would post a link, but for some reason I can't find it.

 

 

 

When was the last time you heard of Jagex banning anyone? A year or two ago? OMG DER NOT BANNING ANYONE. Nice stretch, it's not going to work, though.

 

 

 

If you tell me that no one has quit because of some of these updates, than obviously you need to reacquaint yourself to the world. Feel free to read these comments and correct your own.

 

 

 

60 thousand quit. Jagex anticipated over 200,000 to quit, and was going to go through with it anyway.

 

 

 

As for revenants, why would Jagex place something completely overpowered in free to play?

 

 

 

The wilderness is supposed to be dangerous. Revenants are not that hard to get away from, so I don't think they're powerful enough.

 

 

 

As for me trying to tie mini games with player to player killing, I was actually viewing it as a reimbursement of sorts

 

 

 

It was a reimbursment, they've been pretty public about that.

 

 

 

Would you stick around if you had to mine all the essence, which turns into runes, which probably high alched the thousands of items whose revenue your probably now using to buy sharks?

 

 

 

I do gather all of my raw materials by hand.

 

 

 

Runescape has attempted to make a carefully controlled and safe environment, a utopia.

 

 

 

No, Runescape attempted to save itself from shutdown by the banks. Conveniently, removing the possibility of scamming, luring, and other forms of screwing other players was removed as well.

[Illuminated]

How did these change RS for the worst? The GE was one of the best updates RS ever got. The community has matured drastically, for some reason or another. The removal of the Wildy helped make pures unpopular and finally extinguish any hope of actually using one. Revenants are overpowered, yes, but they are easily outsmarted (seeing as the have limited AI compared to human intelligence).

 

 

 

And how is Jagex a communist group? Do you even have a vague idea what communism is? And F2P deserves some updates, but Jagex makes the most money from P2P if you hadn't realized, and that's why F2P doesn't get that much updates. They didn't "bribe" anyone, considering it never actually made F2P switch to members and pay. -.-

[homowz]

i agree with u that a couple of jagex updates in the last year were not the 1s i prefered: the wild was 1 of my favorite ways to gain some cash and the raison i made a couple of good pures. also the trade limit is something i rather see removed.

 

but the reasons they made these updates are quite simple: they did it because they had to, there was simply no other way to keep RS online.

 

 

 

but exept these 2 updates, RS has definetly changed for the better and if they didnt made those updates i dont think ill still be playing.

 

 

 

also the point that RS is throwing a bone to the ftp, just read the topic:'why cant F2P have...' on the rants forum and u will find 1000 posts telling u the same as comp: the only reason f2p exists, is to make them sing in for p2p, jagex is still a companie that wants to gain money...

[Omali]

How did these change RS for the worst? The GE was one of the best updates RS ever got. The community has matured drastically, for some reason or another. The removal of the Wildy helped make pures unpopular and finally extinguish any hope of actually using one. Revenants are overpowered, yes, but they are easily outsmarted (seeing as the have limited AI compared to human intelligence).

 

 

 

And how is Jagex a communist group? Do you even have a vague idea what communism is? And F2P deserves some updates, but Jagex makes the most money from P2P if you hadn't realized, and that's why F2P doesn't get that much updates. They didn't "bribe" anyone, considering it never actually made F2P switch to members and pay. -.-

 

 

 

I think the GE is great. The reason the community matured is that a lot of lurers and scammers got bored and left, so did a lot of the kids who real world trade.

 

 

 

And I'll say the same thing to people who think Jagex is communist as those who think Obama was communist. I hope you like vodka, those hats with earflaps, and that hammer/sickle design. Communism, [bleep] yea!

 

 

 

And the f2p pvp updates were the equivalent of a doctor giving you as much ice cream as you can eat after your tonsils get pulled. Just a small gesture of good faith to replace your now-absent organs.

[milky155]

Omali-

 

 

 

Correction, when was the last time runescape made a public notice of banning people. One example is enough.

 

 

 

Time is money. If you spend all your time gathering your raw materials by hand, then your either skilling, spend a shocking amount of time on the computer, or your lying, while losing money.

 

 

 

My friends quit because of the ban, it's a fact. They have told me. I would tell you to ask them yourself, but you don't know them in real life.

 

 

 

Insulting me makes you immature, a ironic fact made by someone who is still quite young, but older then 10. My comparison was for the taking away of basic liberties part of communism. If I knew that it would create this much controversy, I wouldn't have used it.

 

 

 

Also, as I said before, there are more intricate and better solutions than the one Jagex are using.

[Bauke]

RS changed for the worst because HE doesn't like the game in it's current form anymore. So to put Jagex in a shameful corner, all sorts of bad things are made up and attributed to Jagex, like them being communists, or blaming Jagex for not being able to let his friends like the game anymore.

 

 

 

Whether one likes it or not, Runescape changed and it got better. Why? Because Jagex attracted more members over the years, made more profit, therefore hired more people, put more input into the game, etc. Generally, they expanded enourmously and there are only a few games that can say the same. Though break for people that think that Runescape has been changed in a bad way, but that's just their opinion. An opinion that doesn't voice the general opinion about the game.

 

 

 

If you don't like the way Jagex changes the game, quit. It has been said numerous times before, but it's the only thing you can do. Or, create your own Runescape, and see if you can do a better job, and create more profit. Then I'll say you're right about Jagex. Up till now, all those complainers are proven wrong by the fact that Jagex and Runescape are expanding and still attracting a huge amount of players. You can't deny that. Your personal opinion about the enjoyment of the game is not generalizable to the whole game or company. It's fine that someone has their own opinion, but don't expect Jagex to give a crap when so many players like what they do.

 

 

 

The Grand Exchange is a fine example. It's so succesful that people barely use "normal" trades anymore. If you don't like the way the trades are performed right now, then that's your own opinion, but that doesn't mean that Jagex is doing anything wrong. They created something that a lot of people like, and only a few dislike. By default, they are right, and your complaints are void.

 

 

 

In short: GTFO.

[milky155]

When did I ever say that grand exchange was a bad thing? I have implied that a controlled economy wasn't, but certainly not the grand exchange.

 

 

 

If I don't like the way runescape is anymore, what is it to you? Jagex has taken a complete control over the economy, that is a fact. I'm not blaming Jagex for making my friends quit, I'm saying that Jagex's changes unintentionally changed their views about this game.

 

 

 

Illuminated- Apparently Compfreak posted this about the community =-P.

 

 

 

Average age went down, maturity followed. The ignore list\friends chat is your friend

[Bauke]

Newsflash, Jagex has control about everything. Doesn't mean they always act like their in total control. Jagex is able to control the prices now, but still we players decide whether a price goes up or down. Ocassionally, Jagex changes a price, but that is only when they feel it's necessary and when that particular item has a price that is not conforming to what it should be regarding the prices that people want to pay for it.

[homowz]

well saying that jagex controles the economy isnt completely true either: the prices go down simply because be4 the GE they were very hard to get and now only a couple of clicks in GE and you got it (for ex. a rune warhammer could only be gotten when you posted on the rsof, now you put in a couple of k and you got it).

 

 

 

also, its imposible for jagex to update their game and make every1 happy, there will allways be pll saying: you sould have done it this or that way... just adjust your gameplay to the new rs and done

[compfreak847]

Back. Let the debate begin :thumbsup:

 

 

As for revenants, why would Jagex place something completely overpowered in free to play? Dangerous in runescape would be having a risk of dieing, not a whim of a chance of killing the said "replacement". In free to play, it's rare that a lone player could kill a revenant.

 

The point isn't to kill them, the point is to provide a monster that is equivalent in power to a PKer. See the other 'reverants are overpowered in FTP' thread to see the details of how I ruined that theory. Run behind a tree with range prayer and log out, your problem is solved. PKers change, tactics change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, a 22 percent growth in members? Do you mean free to play or paying to play? Jagex's long boast of over two million registered members hardly impresses me, since I severely doubt that all of these are active. A 22 percent increase of year would make sense, since so many people left. A percentage is a fraction of a whole and as the whole decreases, the percentage increases. For example-

 

No, I mean members. And the actual number of accounts is 130,000,000, so don't get your facts mixed up - Jagex broke the 1,000,000 ACTIVE members mark sometime earlier last year, long after the RWT updates.

 

 

 

 

1/8= 12.5 percent.

 

1/7= around 14 percent.

 

Wonderful, thanks for showing me the math. Now as I was saying, Jagex stated that the 22% growth rate per year has continued steadily and even picked up in 08 after the short term drop of players - far new players came in, enough to fill the gap left AND 22% besides.

 

 

 

 

As for me trying to tie mini games with player to player killing, I was actually viewing it as a reimbursement of sorts, and a rather bad one at that.

 

Who cares what you 'view it as'. Your complaining that the company is making good business decisions because you view it as a moral outrage :roll:

 

 

 

 

For free to play not paying itself, they are actually the basis of the members economy. Would you stick around if you had to mine all the essence, which turns into runes, which probably high alched the thousands of items whose revenue your probably now using to buy sharks?

 

Welcome to the wonderful world of stupid. FTPers can't mine the pure essence for natures runes, only members can. I suggest picking a better example next time =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying that Jagex caused my friends to quit, their changes did. As I said, intentionally or not, they are stripping away basic freedoms that caused my friends to quit.

 

"basic freedoms". Much as I hate to break it to you, this game isn't a democracy. Jagex makes business choices to try and get as many members as they can, and you chose to pay for it if you want to. Jagex made the smartest business choice of all with RWT removal - not only did they see a jump in their member base, they can keep credit card payments. As I said before, the vast majority of RS players pay by credit card - here in the US, it's essentially the only form of payment used.

 

 

 

 

I also noticed that you entirely skipped over my point about the utopia. Do you find this correct? I also like a good debate, but if it ends this quickly at that point... well, what can I say?

 

 

I was trying to do myself a favor and ignore the vast stupidity and ignorance contained within that comment, but I guess I'll respond.

 

 

 

First of all, guess what: Runescape isn't designed to be perfect and make everyone happy. It's designed for ONE reason: To make Jagex money. Removing credit card payment would be a very BAD business decision - removing 60k members, then gaining that much and far more back in a few months would be a GOOD business decision. I'm sorry to inform you of this, but the sole goal of Jagex isn't to make YOU the perfect game.

 

 

 

 

My friends quit because of the ban, it's a fact. They have told me. I would tell you to ask them yourself, but you don't know them in real life.

 

Really. You know ALL 200 of your friends in real life, and they ALL told you they got banned. If that was true, I'd tell you to get some new friends who respect the rules, but it obviously isn't. If you don't break the rules, you don't get banned. It's that simple. Jagex doesn't run around banning random accounts for no reason, and look at the ratio of CS to developers in the company. Do you know ANYTHING about Jagex, or do you like to pull random numbers out of your behind?

 

 

 

 

Insulting me makes you immature, a ironic fact made by someone who is still quite young, but older then 10. My comparison was for the taking away of basic liberties part of communism. If I knew that it would create this much controversy, I wouldn't have used it.

 

Drop the age, kiddo. I'm probably old enough to be your father, and Omali hasn't done anything resembling petty name calling.

 

 

 

 

Also, as I said before, there are more intricate and better solutions than the one Jagex are using.

 

Really. I failed to see your plan for removing any sort of free player trade. Perhaps you could outline it? All it has to do is completely prevent transfer of items between accounts in any way. Good luck, I look forward to hearing your plan for Utopia.

[sadukar123]

Compfreak can't lose an arguement... don't even try :oops:

 

Shhh... he's new, and all the older members refuse to argue with me. Don't discourage him, I haven't had a good debate in days :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Note to milky: if you plan to end this argument by flaming me for being a no life\nerd\geek\dork\whatever, forget about it. It's what usually happens, and I'm none of the above - I'm happily married with kids, with a good job (computer consultant) with flexible hours that lets me play RS to pass the time at work.

 

 

 

Just getting this out of the way so we can get down to arguing \

 

You are a loser no life. :mrgreen:

 

 

 

 

 

I win teh arguument from ad hominem lulz.

 

 

 

8-)

[compfreak847]

 

You are a loser no life. :mrgreen:

 

 

 

 

 

I win teh arguument from ad hominem lulz.

 

 

 

8-)

 

Nice, I didn't even know the Latin until I looked it up :lol:

[milky155]

Compfreak,

 

 

 

Runescape doesn't go banning people for no reason? Please read the six hundred some posts in which is only Rune Tips' Grr I Was Unfairly Banned/Muted thread and tell me that none of those have any basis. Jagex is a company, and sometimes they make mistakes or go corrupt. Also, if I'm correct, only members can have 200 friends, not free to play.

 

 

 

Free to players used to be able to mine the essence that members could make into nature runes, but even so that was a bad example. I apologize.

 

 

 

I also was getting away with myself. This was supposed to be a rant about what I believe. That basically means that I don't care about what you think is wrong about my beliefs. That also means that I can go on arguing with you until the tenth incarnation of Vishnu, or admit that either you or I was right. I will do neither of those since this is my opinion. I admire your resolve and the amount of thought you put into this, which must of been considerable =D> . I therefore will try to stop posting on this and argue with you on some other topic \ . Goodbye

 

 

 

It might also interest you that you probably could be my father, but that won't stop me from arguing with you!

 

 

 

is est terminus