Kiriyama Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Its not enough. Sure we know they are more profitable, but we need a sizeable amount of each you have said in order to compare fully. So really, your goal should be 1000 Abyssals, Dark Beasts and Cave Slimes. Denizen of Darkness| PSN= sworddude198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 cave slime make profit, on the Cave slime vs. dark post you cna see that, even if they did make less the dark beast they still are porfitable. Since you are not going to do on of the two options I gave you, I will not remove my post about cave slime and dark beast. I have proven dark beasts are more profitable than cave slimes. Read above if you don't understand it somehow. You don't need to kill 1600 cave slime because they don't have valuable rare drops. I'm yet to see statistics on how profitable abyssal demons are :roll: Demons drop 60 noted pure essence and drop more runes and those over time can add up. This is what I wouldn't call statistical evidence. As for the abyssal demons I just had 173 as a task and noted the drops just for you ;) Note that I only killed 145/173 of my task so far. Also I only used 2 super sets and 4 bunyips. [hide=]1. bloods 2. clue scroll & coins 3. marrentill, crimson 4. chaos 5. coins 6. chaos 7. chaos, gold 8. nothing 9. tarromin, crimson 10. coins, crimson 11. guam 12. coins, crimson 13. coins, crimson 14. coins, crimson 15. coins, crimson 16. lobster, green 17. airs 18. guam 19. marrentil 20. coins 21. coins, crimson 22. sapphire 23. addy bar, gold 24. pure essence,crimson 25. coins, crimson 26. coins 27. diamond,crimson 28. nothing 29. cosmic tally 30. tarromin 31. chaos 32.ABYSSAL WHIP 33. coins, crimson 34. bloods 35. sapphire 36. addy bar, crimson 37. harralender,crimson 38. ranarr, blue 39. airs, crimson 40. airs crimson 41. coins, crimson 42. coins 43. guam 44. coins 45. coins 46. coins 47. coins 48. tooth half 49. coins 50. pure essence, crimson 51. coins 52. bloods 53. coins 54. coins 55. coins green 56. coins, gold 57. coins, crimson 58. airs, crimson 59. lantydam, crimson 60. Rune med 61. coins 62. nature tally, crimson 63. coins 64. coins 65. coins, gold 66. lobster 67. lantydam 68. pure essence 69. airs, crimson 70. coins, crimson 71. coins, gold 72. coins, green 73. coins 74. coins 75. black sword, crimson 76. black sword 77. guam,crimson 78. steel b axe, blue 79. coins 80. chaos 81. coins 82. chaos 83. coins,crimson 84. coins 85. coins 86. coins, crimson 87. ranarr 88. coins,crimson 89. laws 90. coins, crimson 91.coins, crimson 92. tarromin,crimson 93. coins 94. coins 95. coins, crimson 96. ABYSSAL WHIP, crimson charm 97. bloods 98. airs, crimson 99. airs, crimson 100. bloods, crimson 101. pure essence, gold 102. coins, crimson 103. coins 104. coins, crimson 105. laws, crimson 106.coins, crimson 107. tarromin 108. coins, crimson 109. coins,gold 110. coins 111. chaos 112. coins 113. nothing 114. coins 115. guam, crimson 116. coins, crimson 117. chaos 118. coins, crimson 119. coins 120. guam, crimson 121. coins, gold 122. tarromin, green 123. airs 124. defence potion 125. coins 126. coins 127. airs 128. harralander, crimson 129. coins, crimson 130. coins, crimson 131. blood, green 132. pure essence 133. coins 134. chaos, green 135. airs 136. airs 137. coins, green 138. chaos 139. rune chain 140. coins 141. coins, crimson 142. harralander, gold 143. coins 144. coins[/hide] Tell me if thats not enough kills to prove they make more money then dark beast, I would be glad to kill more. (more whips ftw!). \ Kay, here is my first dark beast task ever; 125th 189 dark beasts 19 blue, 10 green 14 crimson 15 gold, Dark bow x3, rune chain x2, rune sq, rune full helm x2, adamant sq, death talisman x2, ranarr herb. 42 blood runes. I got these in the first 100 kills; 3 dark bows; 2.4m 2 rune chainbody; 72k Rune sq shield: 23k 2 rune full helm; 50k ranarr; 7k 42 blood rune; 11k Total; Just over 2.6m. Since dark bows were 1m back then, easily 3m. I know you'll say I picked my best task, but so did you. Oh, and 1000+ kill samples would be nice-144 kills doesn't say anything really. [hide=]289th 138 abyssal demons 1 blue 6 green 42 crimson 13 gold 240 pure essence, 40 chaos rune, 400 air rune, 35 blood rune, key teeth half, 2 ranarr herb, 1 kwuarm herb, clue scroll, adamant bars, rune med helm 294th 130 abyssal demons. 1 blue 5 green 33 crimson 9 gold 301 pure essence, 4 rune chainbody, 2 rune med helm, 3 law rune, 42 blood rune, 60 chaos rune, 250 air rune, ranarr herb, clue scroll. 426th 178 abyssal demons. 1 blue 15 green 56 crimson 15 gold Abyssal whip, clue scroll, 360 pure ess, rune bar, rune chainbody, 550 air rune, 70 chaos rune, 63 blood rune, rune spear, rune 2h sword, 5 rune javelin, 2 ranarr herbs. 150 steel arrows. 429th 171 abyssal demons. 1 blue 7 green 48 crimson 18 gold 2 rune med helm, rune chainbody, key loop half, 5 rune javelin, 180 pure essence, 49 blood rune, 90 chaos rune, 51 law rune, ranarr herb, adamant bar. 439th 184 abyssal demons 2 blue 5 green 61 crimson 13 gold 1100 air rune, rune med helm, 7 blood rune, loop key half, 5 rune javelin, ranarr herb, 2 black swords, adamant bar, 3 law runes.[/hide] 801 kills. 1 whip. ~1.5m 6 rune chainbodies.~150k 3 key halves ~120k 1k pure essence ~ 200k 7 ranarrs = 49k Total; 2m in 801 kills; 2.4k per kill, not even that much more than abyssal demons and nowhere near your 22k per kill. And believe me, my other log has even less whips. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoralink Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 Its not enough. Sure we know they are more profitable, but we need a sizeable amount of each you have said in order to compare fully. So really, your goal should be 1000 Abyssals, Dark Beasts and Cave Slimes. Ok I will kill 1,000 dark beast and abyssal demons but I'll forget cave slime for now, Abyssal demons will do fine to prove that they make more money then dark beast. Just to let you know cave slime are 73 slayer levels lower then dark beast they should be less profitable. In the short run though they are not In total I received 3,4m worth of items.(Even more as I didnt count the half keys). 3,4m / 1623 are 2,09k loot per kill. In the time it took him to kill 1,600 dark beasts he made 3.4mil. In the time it took me to kill 145 Abyssal demons made 3.2mil. I wonder what I will make at 1600 abyssal demons? Oh and lol, I didn't pick my best task, I picked the task I'm on atm LMAO, Still on it too. I got two whips on alot of other task, three whips once. Edit: done with the task now, made 3.3mil, 56 crimson charms, and still got a clue to do. We do not quit playing because we grow old we grow old because we quit playing. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Its not enough. Sure we know they are more profitable, but we need a sizeable amount of each you have said in order to compare fully. So really, your goal should be 1000 Abyssals, Dark Beasts and Cave Slimes. Ok I will kill 1,000 dark beast and abyssal demons but I'll forget cave slime for now, Abyssal demons will do fine to prove that they make more money then dark beast. In total I received 3,4m worth of items.(Even more as I didnt count the half keys). 3,4m / 1623 are 2,09k loot per kill. In the time it took him to kill 1,600 dark beasts he made 3.4mil. In the time it took me to kill 145 Abyssal demons made 3.2mil. I wonder what I will make at 1600 abyssal demons? ? Oh please get a higher task number. \ I actually got my first dark bow on kill 15, so I made 1m in 15 kills. ;) Beat that. More dark beast kills since we love big numbers. [hide=]125th 189 dark beasts 19 blue, 10 green 14 crimson 15 gold, 42 blood runes. Dark bow x3, rune chain x2, rune sq, rune full helm x2, adamant sq, death talisman x2, ranarr herb. 126th 199 dark beasts 32 blue 3 green 16 crim 18 gold Death talisman x3, rune chain, 22 deaths, 21 bloods. 127th 187 dark beasts 33 blue 10 green 18 crimson 12 gold Dark bow ,3 ranarr herb, rune chain. 185th 188 dark beasts 26 blue, 12 green 13 crimson 12 gold 2 death talisman, 3 rune full helm, 2 rune b axe, 2 addy sq shields, rune kite, 1 ranarr herb, 90 chaos, 20 death, 47 air, 56 blood. 189th 182 dark beasts. 23 blue 6 green 19 crimson Dark bow, 5 rune full helm, 2 rune chain, rune 2h sword, 5 ranarr herb, 10 chaos rune, 16 deaths, 14 bloods. 227th 141 dark beasts 19 blue 6 green 11 crimson 11 gold Dark bow, 3 teeth key half, runite bar, 80 chaos rune, 42 death rune, 35 blood rune, 2 ranarr herb. 285th 155 dark beasts. 23 blue 6 green 10 crimson 10 gold 2 rune full helm, rune battleaxe, 4 adamant bars, 43 death rune, rune 2h sword, 60 chaos rune, 21 blood rune, 3 ranarr herb, 2 key loop half. 296th 185 dark beasts. 29 blue 5 green 9 crimson 11 gold 2 rune chainbody, key teeth half, 2 key loop half, 2 rune full helm, 3 adamant sq shields, death talisman , 2 ranarr heb, 41 death rune, 100 chaos rune, 42 blood rune. 321th 156 dark beasts. 26 blue 5 green 13 crimson 13 gold Death talisman, 3 rune full helm, tooth key half, 29 death rune, 80 chaos rune, 47 air rune, 35 blood rune, 3000 coins, 6 ranarr herb, 2 kwuarm herb. 328th 181 dark beasts 21 blue 3 green 11 crimson12 gold Dark bow, death talisman, 4 ranarr herb, 1 kwuarm herb, 2 loop key half, rune chainbody, adamant sq shield, adamant bar, 47 air rune, 41 death rune, 35 blood rune, 110 chaos rune 355th 195 dark beasts. 28 blue 7 green 25 crimson 13 gold 5 ranarr herb, 1 kwuarm herb, runite bar, rune sq shield, rune full helm, 47 air rune, 70 blood rune, 60 chaos rune, 62 death rune, tooth half key. 390th 151 dark beasts 19 blue 6 green 8 crimson 16 gold 6 ranarr herb, rune full helm, rune chainbody, adamant bar, adamant sq shield Teeth key half, death talisman, 14 blood rune, 22 death rune, 60 chaos rune, 430th 165 dark beasts. 22 blue 6 green 8 crimson 14 gold 47 air rune, 18 death rune, 70 blood rune, 120 chaos rune, 4 ranarr herb.[/hide] 2274 kills. 7 dark bows = 6m 6 rune chainbodies= 150k 26 other rune items(all ~20k ea). 520k 31 ranarr herbs=217k 10 half keys = roughly 400k Total roughly 8m rounding up because I didn't calc all the other stuff(You are free to do that for me :thumbup: ) 8m+3.4m =11.4m loot in 2274+1623=3789 kills. 3k per dark beast kill spread over a sample of 4k. 2.5k per abyssal demon killspread over a sample of 800(I know, low number) 3 > 2.5 My logs are bigger ( root(800/145))=2.3 times as accurate, dark beasts root(3789/100)=6.1 times as accurate), so my numbers are more accurate than yours. Oh, and please learn to explain yourself better. It's hard to follow your train of thoughts sometimes. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoralink Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 Oh please get a higher task number. \ sorry I can't pick the number I kill, the slayer master dose it for me :( I actually got my first dark bow on kill 15, so I made 1m in 15 kills. ;) Beat that. I can say the same with Dragon legs when I got them on my 8th kill back when they were 2.5mil.(iron dragon task) More dark beast kills since we love big numbers. [hide=]125th 189 dark beasts 19 blue, 10 green 14 crimson 15 gold, 42 blood runes. Dark bow x3, rune chain x2, rune sq, rune full helm x2, adamant sq, death talisman x2, ranarr herb. 126th 199 dark beasts 32 blue 3 green 16 crim 18 gold Death talisman x3, rune chain, 22 deaths, 21 bloods. 127th 187 dark beasts 33 blue 10 green 18 crimson 12 gold Dark bow ,3 ranarr herb, rune chain. 185th 188 dark beasts 26 blue, 12 green 13 crimson 12 gold 2 death talisman, 3 rune full helm, 2 rune b axe, 2 addy sq shields, rune kite, 1 ranarr herb, 90 chaos, 20 death, 47 air, 56 blood. 189th 182 dark beasts. 23 blue 6 green 19 crimson Dark bow, 5 rune full helm, 2 rune chain, rune 2h sword, 5 ranarr herb, 10 chaos rune, 16 deaths, 14 bloods. 227th 141 dark beasts 19 blue 6 green 11 crimson 11 gold Dark bow, 3 teeth key half, runite bar, 80 chaos rune, 42 death rune, 35 blood rune, 2 ranarr herb. 285th 155 dark beasts. 23 blue 6 green 10 crimson 10 gold 2 rune full helm, rune battleaxe, 4 adamant bars, 43 death rune, rune 2h sword, 60 chaos rune, 21 blood rune, 3 ranarr herb, 2 key loop half. 296th 185 dark beasts. 29 blue 5 green 9 crimson 11 gold 2 rune chainbody, key teeth half, 2 key loop half, 2 rune full helm, 3 adamant sq shields, death talisman , 2 ranarr heb, 41 death rune, 100 chaos rune, 42 blood rune. 321th 156 dark beasts. 26 blue 5 green 13 crimson 13 gold Death talisman, 3 rune full helm, tooth key half, 29 death rune, 80 chaos rune, 47 air rune, 35 blood rune, 3000 coins, 6 ranarr herb, 2 kwuarm herb. 328th 181 dark beasts 21 blue 3 green 11 crimson12 gold Dark bow, death talisman, 4 ranarr herb, 1 kwuarm herb, 2 loop key half, rune chainbody, adamant sq shield, adamant bar, 47 air rune, 41 death rune, 35 blood rune, 110 chaos rune 355th 195 dark beasts. 28 blue 7 green 25 crimson 13 gold 5 ranarr herb, 1 kwuarm herb, runite bar, rune sq shield, rune full helm, 47 air rune, 70 blood rune, 60 chaos rune, 62 death rune, tooth half key. 390th 151 dark beasts 19 blue 6 green 8 crimson 16 gold 6 ranarr herb, rune full helm, rune chainbody, adamant bar, adamant sq shield Teeth key half, death talisman, 14 blood rune, 22 death rune, 60 chaos rune, 430th 165 dark beasts. 22 blue 6 green 8 crimson 14 gold 47 air rune, 18 death rune, 70 blood rune, 120 chaos rune, 4 ranarr herb.[/hide] 2274 kills. 7 dark bows = 6m 6 rune chainbodies= 150k 26 other rune items(all ~20k ea). 520k 31 ranarr herbs=217k Total roughly 7m rounding up down because i didn't calc all the other stuff(You are free to do that for me :thumbup: ) 7m+3.4m =10.4m loot in 2274+1623=3789 kills. 2.7k per dark beast kill spread over a sample of 4k. 2.5k per abyssal demon killspread over a sample of 800(I know, low number) 2.7 > 2.5 As you would say, you didn't kill enough abyssal demons, go kill some more then we will talk, and your logs are a mess, and can be misleading. make a log more like this: 1st (kill): "drop" 2nd (kill): "drop 3rd (kill): "drop" 4th (kill): "drop" 5th (kill): "drop" 6th (kill): "drop"....etc. The way you do it is a pain in the eyes and un-organized. We do not quit playing because we grow old we grow old because we quit playing. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Oh please get a higher task number. \ sorry I can't pick the number I kill, the slayer master dose it for me :( I meant a higher sample size. I actually got my first dark bow on kill 15, so I made 1m in 15 kills. ;) Beat that. I can say the same with Dragon legs when I got them on my 8th kill back when they were 2.5mil.(iron dragon task) It's essentially the same as what you are doing with your 144 abyssal demon kills. More dark beast kills since we love big numbers. [hide=]125th 189 dark beasts 19 blue, 10 green 14 crimson 15 gold, 42 blood runes. Dark bow x3, rune chain x2, rune sq, rune full helm x2, adamant sq, death talisman x2, ranarr herb. 126th 199 dark beasts 32 blue 3 green 16 crim 18 gold Death talisman x3, rune chain, 22 deaths, 21 bloods. 127th 187 dark beasts 33 blue 10 green 18 crimson 12 gold Dark bow ,3 ranarr herb, rune chain. 185th 188 dark beasts 26 blue, 12 green 13 crimson 12 gold 2 death talisman, 3 rune full helm, 2 rune b axe, 2 addy sq shields, rune kite, 1 ranarr herb, 90 chaos, 20 death, 47 air, 56 blood. 189th 182 dark beasts. 23 blue 6 green 19 crimson Dark bow, 5 rune full helm, 2 rune chain, rune 2h sword, 5 ranarr herb, 10 chaos rune, 16 deaths, 14 bloods. 227th 141 dark beasts 19 blue 6 green 11 crimson 11 gold Dark bow, 3 teeth key half, runite bar, 80 chaos rune, 42 death rune, 35 blood rune, 2 ranarr herb. 285th 155 dark beasts. 23 blue 6 green 10 crimson 10 gold 2 rune full helm, rune battleaxe, 4 adamant bars, 43 death rune, rune 2h sword, 60 chaos rune, 21 blood rune, 3 ranarr herb, 2 key loop half. 296th 185 dark beasts. 29 blue 5 green 9 crimson 11 gold 2 rune chainbody, key teeth half, 2 key loop half, 2 rune full helm, 3 adamant sq shields, death talisman , 2 ranarr heb, 41 death rune, 100 chaos rune, 42 blood rune. 321th 156 dark beasts. 26 blue 5 green 13 crimson 13 gold Death talisman, 3 rune full helm, tooth key half, 29 death rune, 80 chaos rune, 47 air rune, 35 blood rune, 3000 coins, 6 ranarr herb, 2 kwuarm herb. 328th 181 dark beasts 21 blue 3 green 11 crimson12 gold Dark bow, death talisman, 4 ranarr herb, 1 kwuarm herb, 2 loop key half, rune chainbody, adamant sq shield, adamant bar, 47 air rune, 41 death rune, 35 blood rune, 110 chaos rune 355th 195 dark beasts. 28 blue 7 green 25 crimson 13 gold 5 ranarr herb, 1 kwuarm herb, runite bar, rune sq shield, rune full helm, 47 air rune, 70 blood rune, 60 chaos rune, 62 death rune, tooth half key. 390th 151 dark beasts 19 blue 6 green 8 crimson 16 gold 6 ranarr herb, rune full helm, rune chainbody, adamant bar, adamant sq shield Teeth key half, death talisman, 14 blood rune, 22 death rune, 60 chaos rune, 430th 165 dark beasts. 22 blue 6 green 8 crimson 14 gold 47 air rune, 18 death rune, 70 blood rune, 120 chaos rune, 4 ranarr herb.[/hide] 2274 kills. 7 dark bows = 6m 6 rune chainbodies= 150k 26 other rune items(all ~20k ea). 520k 31 ranarr herbs=217k 10 half keys = roughly 400k Total roughly 8m rounding up because I didn't calc all the other stuff(You are free to do that for me :thumbup: ) 8m+3.4m =11.4m loot in 2274+1623=3789 kills. 3k per dark beast kill spread over a sample of 4k. 2.5k per abyssal demon killspread over a sample of 800(I know, low number) 3 > 2.5 My logs are bigger ( root(800/145))=2.3 times as accurate, dark beasts root(3789/100)=6.1 times as accurate), so my numbers are more accurate than yours. Oh, and please learn to explain yourself better. It's hard to follow your train of thoughts sometimes. As you would say, you didn't kill enough abyssal demons, go kill some more then we will talk. Feel free to kill more, my 801 kill sample is more accurate than your 144 kills. Plus you count the misc runes drops and I don't, so in reality my numbers are underestimates. cave slime make profit, on the Cave slime vs. dark post you cna see that, even if they did make less the dark beast they still are porfitable. Since you are not going to do on of the two options I gave you, I will not remove my post about cave slime and dark beast. I have proven dark beasts are more profitable than cave slimes. Read above if you don't understand it somehow. You still haven't responded to that one. Does that mean you have no counter-arguments against dark beasts being more profitable than cave slime? make a log more like this: 1st (kill): "drop" 2nd (kill): "drop 3rd (kill): "drop" 4th (kill): "drop" 5th (kill): "drop" 6th (kill): "drop"....etc. The way you do it is a pain in the eyes and un-organized. It doesn't matter whether I list the drops as a total or as individual drops. When you count it up, you get the same result. Plus my slayer log is totalling 30+ pages already, do you want me to have a log of more than 500 pages? I'm not that much of a masochist :D My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadukar123 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Whip drop rate: 450 Dark bow drop rate: 400 Whip worth: 1.5m Dark bow worth: 800k That is all. Drops: Misc: Abyssal Whip x28 , Dark Bow x5, Beserker Ring x3, Warrior ring x1 Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3 Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Do you have proof for that all Sadukar. As much as I want to believe you I get a dark bow drop rate of 10/3789 = 1/379 and a whip drop rate of 1/801. I am not saying they are 100% right, so you posting your logs would be great. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadukar123 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I don't need logs for Abyssals. It's proven time and time again by people that it's drop rate is 1/450. There you go, Dark bow's drop rate is 1/400 approximately. Drops: Misc: Abyssal Whip x28 , Dark Bow x5, Beserker Ring x3, Warrior ring x1 Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3 Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helring Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 seriously, I'd have to say that even 1600 is too low a sample size for this type of thing, considering how rare these items can be, I'd expect at least a 50k-100k sample size to even start to be reliable. I know you can't be expected to actually log that many but that still doesn't make your numbers reliable at all. R.I.P. The olde nite. A legend is gone but not forgotten. a Faction Related Item Sink for Rune Labs. https://[LikelyScam]/m=player-proposal/a=13/c=VcG-Ir5Ijno/view-idea?idea=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Higher level beasts/items/weapons =/= better. Look at chinchompas, only level 63, yet best to hunt. Look at Godswords. etc etc etc O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I don't need logs for Abyssals. It's proven time and time again by people that it's drop rate is 1/450. There you go, Dark bow's drop rate is 1/400 approximately. Got a link to those other peoples logs? I really can't accept your drop rates without any evidence, sorry :| In my experience it's a bit lower than 1/450 too. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadukar123 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Zarfot said it's 1/450. /End. Drops: Misc: Abyssal Whip x28 , Dark Bow x5, Beserker Ring x3, Warrior ring x1 Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3 Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Zarfot said it's 1/450. /End. I suggest you read this. Some of the fallacies that get posted here :roll: My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadukar123 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Zarfot said it's 1/450. /End. I suggest you read this. Some of the fallacies that get posted here :roll: Nope. Hundreds of people have tested it, if you didn't know it's really not my problem... Drops: Misc: Abyssal Whip x28 , Dark Bow x5, Beserker Ring x3, Warrior ring x1 Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3 Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Zarfot said it's 1/450. /End. I suggest you read this. Some of the fallacies that get posted here :roll: Nope. Hundreds of people have tested it, if you didn't know it's really not my problem... Yet you can't give me their evidence somehow. :roll: YOU are the one saying their droprate is y in x, YOU need to give me your proof. if you didn't get it already, link me to whoever 'zarfot' is My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadukar123 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Sigh...why make me dig for such a commonly asked (and known) rate. viewtopic.php?p=6661917#p6661917\ 98-99-703-58532304 Page 7 post 5... Don't make me search for that stuff again, it hurts my head. And page 9 post 3 and the end. Drops: Misc: Abyssal Whip x28 , Dark Bow x5, Beserker Ring x3, Warrior ring x1 Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3 Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoralink Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 Thanks for those statistics sadukar123. Post that sadukar123 was talking about (wrote by zarfot): Abyssal demon: [hide=]B. Abyssal Demons Amount assigned: Duradel, 130-199; Sumona, 120-185 Hitpoints: 150 Locations: Slayer Tower, Alternate Abyss Although Abyssal Demons are famous for their whip drops, they come more rarely than most low level players think they do. Despite this, it is also worth noting that the people who complain about whip drops being nerfed to 1 in 1000 or whatever are not correct either. The whip drop rate has always been, and still is, about 1/450. Other more common drops are rune med helms, rune chains, half keys, and level 3 clues. Charm drop percentages- Gold: 11% Green: 6% Crimson: 30% Blue: 1% Summoning to Slayer xp: 0.76 to 0.99 The Alternate Abyss (fairy ring code ALR) is is faster to get to than the Slayer Tower if you don't have a Slayer Ring. If you use it, kill the 2 abyssal demons on the northwest side of the closest wall/rock to the fairy ring. Note that you need 118+ combat to kill Abyssal Demons there because the Abyssal Guardians are level 59 and will attack you if you are under 118 combat. If you do have a Slayer Ring, you can get to the Slayer Tower location about as fast as the Alternate Abyss. It is debatable which to chose, however. The demons in the Slayer Tower are closer together, which makes it easier to get a good kill rate. However, you can match the Slayer Tower rates in the Alternate Abyss if you are very good at minimizing the time you spend not attacking. This includes the strategy where you move two squares towards the spawn of the other demon in between hits of the one you are attacking. I have achieved up to 173 kills per hour in both locations under ideal conditions, but you are more likely to find those ideal conditions in the Alternate Abyss.[/hide] Dark beast: [hide=]L. Dark Beasts Amount assigned: Duradel, 130-199 Hitpoints: 220 (they actually give 225.4 slayer xp each though) Locations: Under West Ardougne Dark Beasts occasionally drop rune full helms, rune kites, half keys, death talismans, and sometimes a dark bow. Approximate charm drop percentages- Gold: 8% Green: 5% Crimson: 7% Blue: 13% Summoning to Slayer xp: 0.44 to 0.65 You should melee and cannon these using Protect from Melee. To get to the Dark Beasts, use an Ardougne teleport tablet, run to West Ardougne, enter the the Mourners' Headquarters by wearing full Mourner's, and use a New Key to unlock the door. The best spot to kill Dark Beasts that I've found is to go to the near (northeast) room and set up your cannon 3 squares east and 2 squares north of the rocks in the southwest part of the room. Then stand 1 square northeast of the cannon base. Only move if you have to- either to pick up drops every 1 to 2 minutes, or if a Dark Beast happens to mage you (which rarely happens in this spot). If another player is there, I'd suggest just setting up your cannon anywhere else and standing 1 square northeast of the base. Pray either Superhuman Strength or Piety, and Protect from Melee. The suggested equipment is the normal melee equipment with a Proselyte plate and legs. Suggested inventory- Dragon dagger(p++) or Saradomin godsword Holy wrench A teleport Cannon and Cannonballs New key (look in the desk in the Mourners' HQ if you need one) Full Mourners 3-4 super attacks or Zamorak brews 3-4 super strength pots 13-22 prayer pots As you can see you will probably have to do multiple trips to complete the task. Personally I used to take 1 Zamorak brew, 1 super strength, and 6 prayer pots, and a Spirit Terrorbird with the same, and kill about 120 Dark Beasts per trip (with maxed stats and Piety). With a War Tortoise downgrading to a Spirit Terrorbird later I could do 180, and now I just use a Pack Yak downgrading to a Spirit Terrorbird for 200. Optionally, you can also do the Jade Vine while going to Dark Beasts tasks, since you run right by it. Every other time, you will simply need to check its health; no items required. The other times, you will have to fight it. Bring a dragon axe, secateurs, a seed dibber, a dose of superantipoison, and a couple extra food items. You get 2.5k slayer xp for killing it. It also should be noted that if you die at the Dark Beasts, you will lose your Mourner's, so you may be unable to get back the way you came. Unless you feel confident about using the death altar entrance, I'd suggest you get an additional set of Mourner's. Simply kill one of the level 108 Mourners in the Mourners HQ and it will drop all 6 pieces of the Mourner's set. I'm glad that I got an extra set because it happened that I needed it once With maxed stats, the cannon spot, and completing the task in one trip, the Superhuman Strength method gives about 145 kills (about 32.6k slayer xp) per hour, and Piety method gives about 160 kills (about 36k slayer xp) per hour. I estimate the drop rate of a Dark Bow to be between 1/350 and 1/400.[/hide] By: zarfot If these posts do not satisfy him I guess I will have to keep working on my drop. For now I will replace these with the cave slime post (maybe that will appease him) :? , since the point is better. I will give you credit for finding these post. Thanks again for the post. We do not quit playing because we grow old we grow old because we quit playing. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Though, you must admit that Zarfot gives no proof. Other half of my log again. [hide=]278th 178 abyssal demons 5 blue 9 green 52 crimson 13 gold abyssal whip, 3 rune chainbody, 3 rune med helm, rune battleaxe, 420 pure ess, 7 blood rune, 9 law rune, 250 air rune, 120 chaos rune, ranarr herb, clue scroll, teeth half key. 280th 183 abyssal demons 3 blue 4 green 62 crimson 16 gold 10044 coins, 8 adamant bars, 6 law rune, 650 air rune, 14 blood, 130 chaos, 540 pure essence, 2 ranarr herb, 150 steel arrows, loop half key. 304th 175 abyssal demons 2 blue 7 green 49 crimson 13 gold Abyssal head, ranarr herb, adamant bar, key loop half, 2 rune emd helm, 120 chaos rune, 84 blood rune, 500 air rune, 6 law rune 308th 162 abyssal demons. 1 blue 6 green 46 crimson 10 gold shield left half, 2 adamant bar, 28 blood rune, 360 pure essence, 600 air runes, 40 chaos rune, 3 ranarr herb, rune chainbody, key loop half, key tooth half. 319th 158 abyssal demons. 1 blue 7 green 45 crimson 20 gold abyssal whip, 2 ranarr herb, 2 rune chainbody, rune 2h sword, 42 blood rune, 12 law rune, 360 pure essence, 600 air rune, 70 chaos rune. 440 coins. 393th 148 abyssal demons 4 green 47 crimson 14 gold 2 rune chainbody, 3 rune med helm, 3 law rune, 120 pure essence, 600 air rune, 130 chaos rune, 28 blood rune, chaos talisman. 403th 177 abyssal demons 1 blue 5 green 52 crimson 14 gold 3 law rune, 63 blood rune, 180 pure essence, -700 air rune, 80 chaos rune, uncut diamond, ranarr herb, tooth key half, loop key half. 411th 171 abyssal demons 4 blue 6 green 59 crimson 17 gold 3 rune chainbody, 3 ranarr herb, 360 pure essence, rune med helm, loop key half, teeth key half, 130 chaos rune, 600 air rune, adamant bar, 680 coins. 447th 142 abyssal demons 1 blue 2 green 40 crimson 14 gold Abyssal head, 2 rune med helm, 28 blood rune, rune chainbody, 2 ranarr herb, 3 adamant bar, 480 pure essence, 550 air rune, 90 chaos rune, 5 rune javelin. 449th 156 abyssal demons 1 blue 4 green 43 crimson 10 gold Abyssal whip, 5 ranarr herb, adamant bar, 60 chaos rune, 420 pure essence, 14 blood rune, 9 law rune, 550 air rune, rune battleaxe, 2 rune chainbody, uncut diamond, 2206 coins.[/hide] 3 whips in 1650 kills, so 4 whips in 2451 kills. And it's not like I don't trust Zarfot, but I give more evidence than him(He doesn't give his logs). My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoralink Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 Your post get to repetitive, thats called "spam", post something new and that has constructive criticism or dont post nothing at all. Im up to 341 Abyssal demons and 88 Dark beasts on my log, and to let you know its not looking good for your beloved Dark beast, so far my best drop is 90 chaos and 11 blues =/. Edit: oh, and one ranarr :D, and just got a Rune kite, to bad its not going to pay for my pray potions. =( We do not quit playing because we grow old we grow old because we quit playing. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Because 88 kills is a totally accurate sample? My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadukar123 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Though, you must admit that Zarfot gives no proof. He doesn't have too...who is going to read thousands and thousands of kill logs. He's not going to test something there's really no argument against. Drops: Misc: Abyssal Whip x28 , Dark Bow x5, Beserker Ring x3, Warrior ring x1 Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3 Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Though, you must admit that Zarfot gives no proof. He doesn't have too...who is going to read thousands and thousands of kill logs. He's not going to test something there's really no argument against. I never said whether he has to give proof or not(I favor giving proof as you might guess ;) ) I simply state that he does not give proof. Does he? My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicrune007 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Assuming both Darkbow drop and Whip drop is 450. And their other drops are roughtly the same. I take about 1.6 times longer to kill a darkbeast. It is obvious that demons are better even if you double the price of darkbows. Hey Nicrune007 , Whats Your Username? 99 Ranged on 2/6/07 99 Hit Points on 9/5/08 99 Defense on 26/4/08 99 Attack on 14/2/09 99 Strength on 25/2/09 99 Slayer on 13/9/09\:D/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Assuming both Darkbow drop and Whip drop is 450. And their other drops are roughtly the same. I take about 1.6 times longer to kill a darkbeast. It is obvious that demons are better even if you double the price of darkbows. About same kill speed since I kill less abyssal demons when i semi-afk. And their other drops aren't the same sadly :cry: My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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