Torture

[Mb1911]

The point is, its just not dirty water that can cause those.

 

 

 

Clean water can, dirty water just has the higher risk.

 

 

 

There is no justification for torture. We are not animals.

 

 

 

If you were in charge of handling interogation and getting information for the United States, what would your method be?

[Kiriyama]

To be honest, I have little ideas.

 

 

 

Though wouldn't a lie detector work? Plus people inadvertedly show small signs when they lie anyway. Failing that, I'd give them the bare minimum to keep them living, reducing it slightly the longer they are held.

[Bloodstain]

would not know if they were guilty unless we had a trial. You'd like to try and prosecute the brave people of the CIA who have been working to keep you safe?! And if you believe they are guilty and what they say is a lie, you should have no trust in the American government at all.

 

 

 

 

Although I was referring to the terrorists and not the CIA agents, I would love to see the agent's boss go on trial. oh, and if you BOTHERED TO READ THE THREAD I ALREADY POSTED ABOUT THE CASE YOU LINKED TO, AND ONE OF THE INTERROGATORS OF HIM SAID:

 

 

 

One of the most striking parts of the memos is the false premises on which they are based. The first, dated August 2002, grants authorization to use harsh interrogation techniques on a high-ranking terrorist, Abu Zubaydah, on the grounds that previous methods hadnt been working. The next three memos cite the successes of those methods as a justification for their continued use.

 

 

It is inaccurate, however, to say that Abu Zubaydah had been uncooperative. Along with another F.B.I. agent, and with several C.I.A. officers present, I questioned him from March to June 2002, before the harsh techniques were introduced later in August. Under traditional interrogation methods, he provided us with important actionable intelligence.

 

 

 

We discovered, for example, that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Abu Zubaydah also told us about Jose Padilla, the so-called dirty bomber. This experience fit what I had found throughout my counterterrorism career: traditional interrogation techniques are successful in identifying operatives, uncovering plots and saving lives.

 

 

 

There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasnt, or couldnt have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process.

 

 

 

Defenders of these techniques have claimed that they got Abu Zubaydah to give up information leading to the capture of Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a top aide to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Mr. Padilla. This is false.

 

 

 

So no, torture did not save the day.

 

 

 

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Ma ... logId=7022

 

 

 

 

 

And from a leaked CIA document

 

"issued by the International Committee for the Red Cross following two rounds of private interviews it held with the 14 "high value detainees" held at Guantanamo Bay."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and also from that report

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nick ... 01728.html

 

 

 

There is another post in the previous pages of this topic that I link to the very subject that you brought up, but I guess it's too much to ask for you to read the god damn thread hunh?

 

 

 

And congratulations CIA, you made the USA worse than Al-Qaida!

 

 

 

Guess I'm not done after all

[Bloodstain]

The point is, its just not dirty water that can cause those.

 

 

 

Clean water can, dirty water just has the higher risk.

 

 

 

There is no justification for torture. We are not animals.

 

 

 

If you were in charge of handling interogation and getting information for the United States, what would your method be?

 

 

 

I WOULD USE RAPPORT BUILDING, WHICH IS PROVEN TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY OF GETTING INFORMATION, BUT YOU DIDN'T READ THE THREAD SO YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, I have little ideas.

 

 

 

Though wouldn't a lie detector work? Plus people inadvertedly show small signs when they lie anyway. Failing that, I'd give them the bare minimum to keep them living, reducing it slightly the longer they are held.

 

 

 

Lie detectors are not reliable at detecting the truth at all, they are even inadmissible in court

[Kiriyama]

Meh, well its hard to get people to say the truth, so I don't know much about methods.

 

 

 

As its been said, torture is a way to get people to confess, not to tell the truth.

[mmmcannibalism]

To be honest, I have little ideas.

 

 

 

Though wouldn't a lie detector work? Plus people inadvertedly show small signs when they lie anyway. Failing that, I'd give them the bare minimum to keep them living, reducing it slightly the longer they are held.

 

 

 

a lie detector cant work in the sense of gaining information, if you ask someone will there be an attack even if they lie about there not being and we catch it or they say there will be it doesnt help in its prevention.

 

 

 

For the record, Im largely defending waterboarding out of the need. While I firmly believe we can find better methods that arent as controversial, I severly dislike the witchhunting of cia operatives.

 

 

 

So bloodstain, since I do agree rapport building is rather effective long term, what would you suggest for prisoners it doesnt work on?

[Bloodstain]

To be honest, I have little ideas.

 

 

 

Though wouldn't a lie detector work? Plus people inadvertedly show small signs when they lie anyway. Failing that, I'd give them the bare minimum to keep them living, reducing it slightly the longer they are held.

 

 

 

a lie detector cant work in the sense of gaining information, if you ask someone will there be an attack even if they lie about there not being and we catch it or they say there will be it doesnt help in its prevention.

 

 

 

For the record, Im largely defending waterboarding out of the need. While I firmly believe we can find better methods that arent as controversial, I severly dislike the witchhunting of cia operatives.

 

 

 

So bloodstain, since I do agree rapport building is rather effective long term, what would you suggest for prisoners it doesnt work on?

 

 

 

Then you're screwed. Get the CIA or FBI or whoever the hell they use and try to get information through other avenues