A 'New World Order'?

[mmmcannibalism]

Well I've been thinking about this a little bit recently, and I've noticed that the American government must tie off all connections to business.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about laissez-faire, but unlike George W. Bush who had ties/worked for/something with oil companies. I don't think politicans should be connected to comapnies and corporations in any way: CEO, co-CEO, family ties to the company, Secretary, etc.

 

 

 

The idea behind it is that in real-world capitalism the middle and lower classes make up the majority. In democracy, the government is supposed to be formed by the majority. But if we allow our politics to be tied within business that would mean the minority (upper class) rule the majority. Which isn't democracy.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone thought of this?

 

 

 

This is of course entirely true and important. The problem is all politicians are so caught up with special interests(even if they arent necessarily businesses ex. acorn) that removing it from politics would be impossible. This is one of the main reasons I have no faith in America's government, both parties are just trying to make their special interests and target groups vote for them(regardless of whether they are helping the country or not).

[RichieMcD]

Couple of points...

 

 

 

1. One government leading the entire world will never exist, there is literally thousands of languages throughout the world, hundreds of culture, over 200 countries, over 7 Billion people, bringing all these people together under one government, under one language, under one culture etc, would be nothing short of pretty much impossible.

 

 

 

2. He seems great so far, but remember Obamas only been president for what? 6 months? There's still a lot about him we don't know and still a lot he could do unexpectedly, no one was wary of Bush 6 months into his first time, it's to early to assume how Obama will in say 2-3 years time.

 

 

 

3. I didn't watch the first video as I didn't have the time, the second one AFAIK was nothing more than mere coincidence he said that, the third one IMO is typical conspiracy theory bull, the same as "loose change" or others.

[The Dark Lord]

It's an interesting idea. I just saw a program about the Freemasons' influence in the American Revolution and how Masonic symbolism plays heavily in national monuments and even on U.S. currency. Even the latin phrase for "New World Order" appears on our currency under the All-Seeing Eye. It's interesting, but that doesn't mean that the United States has an ultimate goal of taking over the world. "Novus Ordo Seclorum"

 

 

 

People are fearful of the Masons because of the fact that the Pentagram is one of their many symbols. However, this symbol doesn't represent evil, contrary to popular belief. It is in fact a symbol of scientific knowledge. Moving on, from my experience with the Freemasons, they do not appear to be any more than a fraternity of men that treat each other as brothers. However, it is still possible that at higher levels within the organization there might be some sinister groups. The Masons do, in fact, have a political clout, but it's a silent one. Since the organization teaches brotherhood and loyalty, this can supersede the nation itself as loyalty to your Brother is stronger than loyalty to your country. From time to time, a Mason who happens to be in a position of authority might make deals with a Brother behind closed doors, as long as it is to the benefit of the Masonic order and the fellow Brother. However, they also punish fellow members harshly if they do something like murder a person. If that person is on trial, fellow Masons within the jury will seek to punish the Brother as harshly as possible and then excommunicate them from the Order. It's a very complex network with set rules.

 

 

 

During my time spent with an organization sponsored by the Freemasons that's for people that aren't old enough to join the actual father organization, the Order of Jacques DeMolay, we had a set of traditions very similar to the Freemasons' rituals and rules. We had secret handshakes, secret passwords, and secret rituals. However, none of these were very important, despite our oaths to never reveal our secrets. What's important is the lesson learned from keeping the secrets safe. The lessons teach honor and loyalty. By revealing the secrets, we are committing treason against our Order and our brethren. Nothing really major would happen to us, but our reputation would be ruined and we would no longer be trusted with anything. We would also be excommunicated if we committed a felony. We had nothing to hide, really.

 

 

 

Anyway, probably nothing of what I said really makes any sense. For those who didn't read any of this, I basically said that the Freemasons have a lot of influence on the American government and the foundation of this nation itself. Masonic symbolism has become a meme for Federal architecture, among other things. The Masonic Order may very well be subversive at its core, but there is no evidence to support that assumption. A future New World Order is a possibility because history usually repeats itself. Perhaps a new Britannia will rise and spread influence throughout the world and eventually conquer the globe. Who knows?

 

 

 

EDIT: Looking back through posts, I noticed that someone asked a question about the pyramid with the eye on top of it. That is called the All-Seeing Eye. The eye symbolizes God watching every action that people do. More info here.

 

 

 

As for the comment that it would be impossible for a single government to wipe out all other cultures and languages and establish one culture and language, I could see a NWO government using genocide, coercive laws, and brainwashing of children to wipe out other cultures and languages. A tyrannical government wouldn't care if it required bloodshed and time. After all, the end justifies the means.

[mmmcannibalism]

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It's an interesting idea. I just saw a program about the Freemasons' influence in the American Revolution and how Masonic symbolism plays heavily in national monuments and even on U.S. currency. Even the latin phrase for "New World Order" appears on our currency under the All-Seeing Eye. It's interesting, but that doesn't mean that the United States has an ultimate goal of taking over the world. "Novus Ordo Seclorum"

 

 

 

People are fearful of the Masons because of the fact that the Pentagram is one of their many symbols. However, this symbol doesn't represent evil, contrary to popular belief. It is in fact a symbol of scientific knowledge. Moving on, from my experience with the Freemasons, they do not appear to be any more than a fraternity of men that treat each other as brothers. However, it is still possible that at higher levels within the organization there might be some sinister groups. The Masons do, in fact, have a political clout, but it's a silent one. Since the organization teaches brotherhood and loyalty, this can supersede the nation itself as loyalty to your Brother is stronger than loyalty to your country. From time to time, a Mason who happens to be in a position of authority might make deals with a Brother behind closed doors, as long as it is to the benefit of the Masonic order and the fellow Brother. However, they also punish fellow members harshly if they do something like murder a person. If that person is on trial, fellow Masons within the jury will seek to punish the Brother as harshly as possible and then excommunicate them from the Order. It's a very complex network with set rules.

 

 

 

During my time spent with an organization sponsored by the Freemasons that's for people that aren't old enough to join the actual father organization, the Order of Jacques DeMolay, we had a set of traditions very similar to the Freemasons' rituals and rules. We had secret handshakes, secret passwords, and secret rituals. However, none of these were very important, despite our oaths to never reveal our secrets. What's important is the lesson learned from keeping the secrets safe. The lessons teach honor and loyalty. By revealing the secrets, we are committing treason against our Order and our brethren. Nothing really major would happen to us, but our reputation would be ruined and we would no longer be trusted with anything. We would also be excommunicated if we committed a felony. We had nothing to hide, really.

 

 

 

Anyway, probably nothing of what I said really makes any sense. For those who didn't read any of this, I basically said that the Freemasons have a lot of influence on the American government and the foundation of this nation itself. Masonic symbolism has become a meme for Federal architecture, among other things. The Masonic Order may very well be subversive at its core, but there is no evidence to support that assumption. A future New World Order is a possibility because history usually repeats itself. Perhaps a new Britannia will rise and spread influence throughout the world and eventually conquer the globe. Who knows?

 

 

 

EDIT: Looking back through posts, I noticed that someone asked a question about the pyramid with the eye on top of it. That is called the All-Seeing Eye. The eye symbolizes God watching every action that people do. More info here.

 

 

 

As for the comment that it would be impossible for a single government to wipe out all other cultures and languages and establish one culture and language, I could see a NWO government using genocide, coercive laws, and brainwashing of children to wipe out other cultures and languages. A tyrannical government wouldn't care if it required bloodshed and time. After all, the end justifies the means.

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One thing that has always made me doubt the freemason conspiracies Is that I see it as little more then any other special interest type thing at the worst. While the initial designs of the organization might have been a little more lets conquer the worldish; its probably no worse in terms of political power then a politician using earmarks to gain popularity.