You should at least come up with SOME support, if you want to be taken seriously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I look at this, and laugh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Id love to write up 5 paragraphs about why f2p does not deserve anything of the sort, but I've already done it, in every other thread like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why "another" arena, when f2p doesnt even have one arena. You saying f2p should get castle wars (which they wont), then they should get a second "arena" (which they wont)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is this second arena for? Standing around in, begging in, dying in, and showing off bad grammar in?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hehe, just 5 paragraphs? I could write a best selling novel on why f2p should not get updates such as this. I'm sorry, but I true-even-to-death believe that if you can't pay for it, Jagex can't provide it. This isn't a charity they run, people...it is a business.

 

 

 

I guess it would be a fiction novel. Because you seem to forget, the ads support the game, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I suppose you asked Jagex to put these ads on the site for you? Please, don't use an excuse you haven't fully discovered. They FORCE you to use the ads. I'm sure that if there was a choice, a good 90% of f2p players would vote for taking them off the site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So no, you don't make any money for Jagex out of your own free will, you are made to make that money. That's the difference between f2p's and p2p's. Members pay out of their own free will because they wish the benefits of the extended gameplay. If you want it so badly, I suggest you follow suit. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess what Outsanity ... money is just as green to Jagex, whether it's attached to free will or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And your arguement is fundementally flawed, besides. I could just as easily say that 90% of members would choose not to pay Jagex for their membership benefits. So Jagex forces members to pay, if they desire the very extended membership benefits (WAY more benefits than I am proposing for ASP, by the way). Just the exact same way that Jagex forces ASP to watch banners, if they want to play at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember that watching banners all day is worth $5 a month to some companies. So it all evens out in the end.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex pays ASP to watch the banners; they pay us with access to a lesser version of their game, instead of cash. Personally, I'd prefer the cash, which I could then use to buy members :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I'll happily settle for a lesser, but still improving version of the game, afterall I'm a reasonable guy. ;)

If you've been following this thread (If you haven't, I suggest you go back and read it all, there are lots of interesting attitudes and points here), then you know about the 8 recommendations I made on what ASP needs to achieve consistency, stability, and balance in its own right. Keep those in mind, they will come up soon enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I want to propose to Jagex a way for these ASP updates to happen, using a very powerful advertising tool, that will drive even more profits to them. Afterall, Jagex deserves all the money it can get.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It all about co-branding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does this work? Well say, for example, that Pepsico wants to generate a similar web branding presence that its arch-rival CocaCola has created with its CokeMusic website. Now, Pepsico doesn't want to incur the same development costs that Coke did, so they decide to approach Jagex Ltd., instead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex tells Pepsi about their banners, but Pepsi wants something special. They want to co-brand. This is what happens:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pepsi launches an ad campaign, and starts printing redeemable codes on the inside of its bottles' packaging. Or under the rubber insert in the bottlecap. Runescape launches a banner campaign, letting players know about the Pepsi offer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players that buy the Pepsi, can then go to the Runescape site, and redeem the code for access to new priveledges on the ASP servers. Each unique code is good for one runescape character.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From my list, the best skill upgrades to activate in this way, would be arrowhead smithing, green dragonhide crafting, and arrow fletching.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe you would have to buy three Pepsis, one for the smithing, one for the crafting, and one for the fletching. Note that none of these improvements are equal to what members get for these skills, so members still have a huge incentive to keep paying their monthly fees for their priveledges, too!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course these kinds of campaigns wouldn't just work for Pepsi. McDonalds Happy Meals, McCain's Supermarket Pizza, Pizza Pockets, Doritos, Capt'n Crunch Cereal, Kentucky Fried Chicken buckets, Mattel Toy boxes (GI Joe, Transformers, etc.) ... heck the list is endless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Each redeemed code represents an actual purchase of the product by a customer, and Jagex would collect an additional substantial fee ($.30+, for example) based on these purchases (like a commission), in addition to the normal profits it already collects from the banner campaign.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sound crazy? Guess what, stuff like this is already starting to happen in similar areas. Where I live, I can buy cereal that comes with a free, full version, playable CD game. I have Monopoly, Trivial Pursuit, Roller Coaster Tycoon I .. and II, etc. from these offers. Other offers in my area bundle 3 dollar coupons to the movies, or a chance to win free stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Jagex co-brand would be cheaper than all of the above to implement, since it's a virtual good (no extra shipping or manufacturing costs), and no extra bandwidth will be used that the player wouldn't use anyways while on Runescape, and Jagex still collects the same banner ad revenue and chance of gaining a member while the ad sponsored player is redeeming and enjoying his skills coupon on Runescape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ka-ching!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Awesome for the sponsor. Awesome for Jagex. Awesome for ASP.

They barely ever update f2p because its free... so why use there time when they wont make any money of it anyways, they always update p2p because they try to get more poeple to change to p2p so they can make more money. :lol:

They barely ever update f2p because its free... so why use there time when they wont make any money of it anyways, they always update p2p because they try to get more poeple to change to p2p so they can make more money. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what I think? I think that some people read the title "More stuff for f2p", and immediately click to the last page. Without reading a SINGLE thing in the thread, they cut-'n-paste their standard stock reply, from their brain, to the screen. Then they hit submit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please, do the world a favour. If you're going to get involved in a "Discussions & Suggestions" thread, here or anywhere else, please have the decency and good sense to read how the thread has developed, before posting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) First, F2P doesn't exist. Jagex is not a charity, and it does nothing for free. We watch the banners, generate revenue for Jagex, and are paid with a lesser featured version of the game as a result. It's Ad Sponsored Play, or ASP, for short.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) Yes, Jagex wants more subscribers. In a sense, they are one of their own customers, advertising a product (member's version) on the ASP servers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) This thread has suggested new ways (co-branding) for Jagex to make even MORE money by updating ASP, while at the same time, maintaining the desirability of subscribing to their premium member's version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there is now a new, very powerful, reason for Jagex to consider updating ASP, as part of co-branding ad campaigns. This is in addition to the old reasons, such as customer retention and market share, all of which adds to their banner revenue, and subscription (or re-subscription) potential.

i would not mind a castle wars thing in f2p (I KNOW WE DONT PAY).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its something different then wilderness(witch i hate), hope something else in f2p for player vs player comes out, ever, WITHOUT WILDY THINGS, i hate wildy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE TO PEOPLE WHO SAY FREE TO PLAY IS JUST FREE, jagex makes nice money of adverts (the sportlife one is litteraly CHOKING ME TO HELL!!!!!!!!)

Has anyone read thisorthis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let the f2p have the games room, if it mean that they are happy then I think we can give up this. It is hardly ever used, and can you really think of a good reason not to, other than they don't pay membership.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are a lot of good ideas in this thread(I have read through), but JAGEX really dont care if a few people are happy. We can argue until the cows in morton start breating, jagex we go whip over carrot, they will not let you do anything because if they punish you like this you are more likely to go onto members than if they had a daily lotto for people to have 1 or 2 days free membership.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Face it man, reality bites

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