Stealing HOW Many?

[Outsanity]

Well, obviously, fenrir. I think what you're saying is already common sense among us. We already get that. What I'm still going to disagree with you on is who the bigger person in a debate is. If you are able to defend your own beliefs, but allow others to have the chance to explain their side, and then unbiasly decide if they have a legitimate argument, then you've sucessfully won your half of the debate.

 

 

 

I beg to differ that winning a debate means to ultimately be the correct one. Debating is not about winning. It's about two people with opposing or slightly different views coming together to find the real truth in the topic at hand. Where people go wrong is when they believe that debating is arguing your point to try to smash your opinion into the other person, and that you've failed if you haven't done so. I believe you've done your job so long as you've defended your opinions and kept to your gut, but also to allow room for improvement.

 

 

 

No one is perfect. No one knows everything. If you close off even slightly then you're going to view the world in black and white. Open up, but be smart enough to know when your mind is being warped just because the other person wants you to believe what they believe only because they believe it...not because it's ultimately the truth.

 

 

 

It's very subjective...but it's better to remain open minded than closed. Your more of a target to hurt and manipulation, but closing yourself off means you're not going to truly understand the world.

[fenrir321]

Well, obviously, fenrir. I think what you're saying is already common sense among us.

 

It's not obvious seeing as some people don't understand this "common sense". I know several people that argue just to have the opportunity to egg a person on.

 

 

 

I probably just chose my words incorrectly with the previous posts.

 

 

 

I never said that winning the argument is imposing your beliefs upon the other person. I said that winning is not either defending your point or learning from the argument. Saying that is like saying, "I got checkmated, but I still won because I know what I did wrong." That's not winning the game; that's learning and gaining something from the loss.

 

 

 

If you fail to defend your point, you lose the argument, end of statement. That doesn't mean you can't learn anything or that loss is something to avoid at all costs. Loss is sometimes the best course of action in order to learn.

 

 

 

But just to clarify my stance: you should never impose your points upon someone else. What you do is validate your own and respond to the other person's validation. If you fail to validate your point, then you lose. Accept the loss and gain something from the experience to be better prepared for the next round.

 

 

 

I think the above is what you're stating, but there seems to be a misconception between the words, somewhat like the rant several weeks ago that was confusing "merchanters" with "price manipulators."

[HeadBandit64]

well worded both of you, I would like to think I stand somewhere in the middle of your philosophies. Glad that I can finally sit down and have a civil debate with someone! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

it almost seems that this should be moved to the debate forum :lol:

[Outsanity]

That makes more sense, fenrir. I see what you were getting at now, and I'm glad there's someone else on these forums who I can have a small "chat" with that won't immediately jump and attack me for speaking my mind. :lol: