Abortion

[1230abcz]

What are your views? I want to 2-page long posts that are either: a.) filled with insults, or b.) demeaning to anyone with views different to yours.

 

Go go go!!!!!

 

 

 

Lol, no. Ignore that. What are your views and why do you support them? I want logical debate here.

 

 

 

 

I say people shouldn't decide what women should do with their bodies. If some legislator wants to ban abortion, I say stick a football up his large intestines and have him [cabbage] it out. As for the sanctity of life, once again: religion. I don't support any form of church + state because it undermines the First Amendment; if laws impose a religious bias onto a different group of people, then it's not in line with the Constitution.

 

Otherwise, saying that it's murder is... valid... I really have no arguments against that view, but, really, I'd see it as more of a sin if that baby was kept alive, put onto the streets, and led into a life of crime because his/her mother couldn't safely abort in an established institution. We've seen the effects of legalizing abortion on the United State's crime rates. Abortion was legalized during the court case Roe vs. Wade. The years following the case, crime across the U.S. plummeted; it spiked down after it was predicted that the crime rates were increasing at an increasingly alarming pace. So, considering that, I'd say abortion is, in a sense, ethically sound (not to mention it's economic).

 

 

 

So... go go go!@#!@#!@#

[Giordano]

SOM1 HAZ TO EATZ TEH BABIES!

[1230abcz]

SOM1 HAZ TO EATZ TEH BABIES!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG!@#!@#!@ Who will carry out such a task!@

[Zierro]

I think I've come to a pretty fair conclusion on the last thread. Legally, there is too much philosophical ambiguity for the government to have much of a say here, so they shouldn't be allowed to stop you. However, if you personally feel that it is wrong, I can see where you're coming from.

[obfuscator]

Abortion was legalized during the court case Roe vs. Wade. The years following the case, crime across the U.S. plummeted; it spiked down after it was predicted that the crime rates were increasing at an increasingly alarming pace. So, considering that, I'd say abortion is, in a sense, ethically sound (not to mention it's economic).

 

I find it a little disturbing that you say "once abortion was legalized crime rates dropped". Are you implying that all aborted babies would just have been criminals anyway?

 

Anyway my personal view:

 

Unborn babies are alive - this much is a scientific certainty. There is no better point for something to be considered human, no more drastic change of state, than conception itself. Thus, I consider unborn babies to be human from the moment of conception.

And by this means, killing unborn babies is the same as killing any other human being - a sin (if you consider it religiously) - or a huge moral failure - non religiously.

 

I also don't like the fact fathers have no say in the decision to keep the baby, another example of the biased and hypocritical view of many hardcore feminists.

[1230abcz]

Abortion was legalized during the court case Roe vs. Wade. The years following the case, crime across the U.S. plummeted; it spiked down after it was predicted that the crime rates were increasing at an increasingly alarming pace. So, considering that, I'd say abortion is, in a sense, ethically sound (not to mention it's economic).

 

I find it a little disturbing that you say "once abortion was legalized crime rates dropped". Are you implying that all aborted babies would just have been criminals anyway?

 

Anyway my personal view:

 

Unborn babies are alive - this much is a scientific certainty. There is no better point for something to be considered human, no more drastic change of state, than conception itself. Thus, I consider unborn babies to be human from the moment of conception.

And by this means, killing unborn babies is the same as killing any other human being - a sin (if you consider it religiously) - or a huge moral failure - non religiously.

 

I also don't like the fact fathers have no say in the decision to keep the baby, another example of the biased and hypocritical view of many hardcore feminists.

 

 

Well, yes, I am implying that aborted babies would have a much, much higher chance of being criminals. Statistically, there's no other explanation as to why the crime rates dropped so suddenly, and it's not outlandish at all to believe that babies with no father and mothers with not enough income to support them would likely be led into a life of crime and not into Harvard where they can become the babies of the future (as unethical as those views may seem).

 

 

So babies are human even when they are zygotes only a few hundred cells large? Don't take this the wrong way, but aborting a baby when it's only a few cells long doesn't have as many moral backlashes for me as it might for you. If the baby was, let's say, 2 months from being born, then I'd consider it illegal for it to be aborted. The obvious problem here is when do we consider it OK to abort -- when do we call something human? This calls for arbitrary measures; there should be a limit. If the couple didn't want to have the baby, then it should be obvious from the start. Don't say it was their fault for copulating, when it's a natural human instinct.

[Lenin64]

Abortion was legalized during the court case Roe vs. Wade. The years following the case, crime across the U.S. plummeted; it spiked down after it was predicted that the crime rates were increasing at an increasingly alarming pace. So, considering that, I'd say abortion is, in a sense, ethically sound (not to mention it's economic).

Generally, if you make something legal that was previously illegal, crime rates will drop seeing as, you know, there's less that's illegal. If armed robbery was made legal, crime rates would drop, too.

 

I don't understand the logic of "If you were just too lazy to use protection, you should have to live with the consequences". People avoid consequences resulting from laziness all the time. Why is that any different?

[Abc1230]

If the couple didn't want to have the baby, then it should be obvious from the start. Don't say it was their fault for copulating, when it's a natural human instinct.

 

Rape

[1230abcz]

Abortion was legalized during the court case Roe vs. Wade. The years following the case, crime across the U.S. plummeted; it spiked down after it was predicted that the crime rates were increasing at an increasingly alarming pace. So, considering that, I'd say abortion is, in a sense, ethically sound (not to mention it's economic).

Generally, if you make something legal that was previously illegal, crime rates will drop seeing as, you know, there's less that's illegal. If armed robbery was made legal, crime rates would drop, too.

 

Not to the extent that was seen after the case was fought. I doubt that there were murders/robberies all based around an underground gang that carried out illegal abortions.

 

 

 

If the couple didn't want to have the baby, then it should be obvious from the start. Don't say it was their fault for copulating, when it's a natural human instinct.

 

Rape

 

 

OMG, where did you come from?! There's room for only one 1230+abcz /variants in these forums!

[stevepole]

http://forum.tip.it/topic/242517-abortion-what-do-you-think-of-it/

 

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