Hey guys, I currently have about 34 mil and 83 range, and I am doing aviansies for more cash. I have decided I am going to go for 99 range! :thumbsup: I am going to use grey chins to do it, because I've heard they're more cost efficient. I won't be using a range boosting prayer. I've done some calculations, and read a ton of guides and heres what I've come up with:

 

it will take me about 60k chins, 740 prayer pots ( I have 50 pray) , 200 range potions, and 100 super anti pots.

 

In total, this will cost me about 34 mil. I plan to do this during march break, so by then I will probably have a few more mil then 34.

 

Now for my questions:

 

1.Do you guys agree with my estimates? Is it fair to say I can get 99 range from 83 on 34 mil? Does 740 pray pots sound about right. I am really worried about this stuff, because I would hate to come up short.

 

2.According to most guides, 99 range takes 60 hours, is this for grey or red chins?

 

3.I have 42 or so summoning, would it be worth it to bring a bull ant?

 

4.Should i use Super anti's, or normal anti's (using normals i would save about 180k)

 

5.Should i try for the holy wrench thing? I really hate the 40 farming requirement, because I hate farming in general. 20-25 took me like 3 hours alone. I think by the time I would get it, I could have made the money for the extra prayer pots.

 

6.should I wear a glory and avas accumulator, or prayer boosting gear?

 

I'm sure more questions will come up, but just can't think of anymore atm. :unsure:

 

Overall, it's my first time chinning so i'm really nervous about dying with my void. If you have any advice feel free to post it. :thumbup:

 

Ty in advanced,

 

~Armageddian :ohnoes:

Not ready

You need to get lots of levels up

Like what?

 

The only lvs i see being important in chinning are range and prayer. I know my prayer is a bit low, but if pures with 43 prayer can do it, I think I can?

First of all, prayer wastes too much of your money. You have to use 15% range or it will cost a lot more.

Range level is too low to chin

Summoning makes ur trips more efficient if you uses war tortoise but you're not.

1.Do you guys agree with my estimates? Is it fair to say I can get 99 range from 83 on 34 mil? Does 740 pray pots sound about right. I am really worried about this stuff, because I would hate to come up short.

 

I can't say if you are right to the letter, but them seem reasonable and I would bet they are very close to what you actually will spend.

 

2.According to most guides, 99 range takes 60 hours, is this for grey or red chins?

 

Reds, I believe, although Greys aren't THAT much slower.

 

3.I have 42 or so summoning, would it be worth it to bring a bull ant?

 

You'd probably want to use a combat familiar.

 

4.Should i use Super anti's, or normal anti's (using normals i would save about 180k)

 

Super. Saves space.

 

5.Should i try for the holy wrench thing? I really hate the 40 farming requirement, because I hate farming in general. 20-25 took me like 3 hours alone. I think by the time I would get it, I could have made the money for the extra prayer pots.

 

It's not really necessary, although it's basically 1-2 free ppots in 1 space. If you hate farming that much then don't get it, but if you need help with it, feel free to look at my Aow Guide, link is in my sig.

 

Btw, you can get 40 farming exclusively using quests, if that is more appealing.

 

6.should I wear a glory and avas accumulator, or prayer boosting gear?

 

I'm split on this myself. Some people will argue that since you are spending so much more on chins than ppots, you should maximize range bonus to maximize efficiency of chins. However, others will say that since you already hit the Skele Monkeys often enough due to their low defense, that extra ranged bonus actually makes little difference, in which case prayer bonus is better since it is actually of some use. Personally, I'd max out prayer.

 

 

Dying with void sucks. I've died with my void while chinning, but that was very unlucky since I d/c'd for about 15 minutes. If your internet tends to drop like that, don't use void, or don't bother replacing it if you lose it. Use something like Armadyl, since it will protect. When you die, it will be because your prayer drained, so don't bother praying Protect Item. Lastly, purchase a 6 minute gravestone. If you die from lag or a mistake (as opposed to disconnecting) you WILL have enough time to get back.

Hmm, If i have enough cash ill buy the 6 minute one for sure then, but I'm not too worried about my internet, it's pretty reliable. Besides, don't you get logged out after 30 secs?

First of all, prayer wastes too much of your money. You have to use 15% range or it will cost a lot more.

Range level is too low to chin

Summoning makes ur trips more efficient if you uses war tortoise but you're not.

 

Im not very worried about wasting the money, as long as I have a range skillcape by the end of it, and wouldn't 15% range pray cost more? Most guides say lv 70 ranged as a guideline, some even 55, im pretty sure 83 isn't too low. Can't you do it without summoning, how did ppl do it before?

 

EDIT: oops sorry for the double post :unsure:

Hmm, If i have enough cash ill buy the 6 minute one for sure then, but I'm not too worried about my internet, it's pretty reliable. Besides, don't you get logged out after 30 secs?

 

Yes but if you log out your gravestone automatically collapses. That means your items will only remain there for as long as your gravestone's standard timer is (unless it gets blessed before you log out). So if you have a 6 minute grave, your items are there for 6 minutes.

 

 

First of all, prayer wastes too much of your money. You have to use 15% range or it will cost a lot more.

Range level is too low to chin

Summoning makes ur trips more efficient if you uses war tortoise but you're not.

 

Im not very worried about wasting the money, as long as I have a range skillcape by the end of it, and wouldn't 15% range pray cost more? Most guides say lv 70 ranged as a guideline, some even 55, im pretty sure 83 isn't too low. Can't you do it without summoning, how did ppl do it before?

 

15% ranged pray will cost more in PRAYER POTIONS, but since it saves Chinchompas, it inevitably ends up saving you money.

 

Yes you can use no summoning, but summoning can only help.

Use Red Chins.

Hmm never thought of it that way. But would it save me enough chins to outweigh the cost of prayer pots every time? :blink:

 

I can't decide what familiar to use with my low lv. When im monster hunting, they all seem to die so fast. Would the highest be the best, like bull ant or the turnip or wtv? Or are blue charm things better, like a bronze minotaur?

 

Getting 40 farming using only quests sounds interesting to say the least... at 40 can you make money with ranarr farming or wtv?

Seems right and your lvls are high enough. Just get farming since it is a usefull skill.

 

My guide in siggy has some more information too. Grey chins top at 260k xp an hour, red chins at 340k xp an hour (95-99)

Hmm never thought of it that way. But would it save me enough chins to outweigh the cost of prayer pots every time? :blink:

 

Perhaps not each throw, but overall it will.

 

I can't decide what familiar to use with my low lv. When im monster hunting, they all seem to die so fast. Would the highest be the best, like bull ant or the turnip or wtv? Or are blue charm things better, like a bronze minotaur?

 

Try to get one that trains ranged

 

Getting 40 farming using only quests sounds interesting to say the least... at 40 can you make money with ranarr farming or wtv?

 

YES! :)

Hmm never thought of it that way. But would it save me enough chins to outweigh the cost of prayer pots every time? :blink:

 

Perhaps not each throw, but overall it will.

 

I can't decide what familiar to use with my low lv. When im monster hunting, they all seem to die so fast. Would the highest be the best, like bull ant or the turnip or wtv? Or are blue charm things better, like a bronze minotaur?

 

Try to get one that trains ranged

 

Getting 40 farming using only quests sounds interesting to say the least... at 40 can you make money with ranarr farming or wtv?

 

YES! :)

 

I took a look at your farming guide( nice guide btw :thumbsup:) , and it really opened my eyes. I was a complete noob before, staying at one patch watching my plants grow lol. 40 with only quests is awesome though, do you mind listing the quests that your talking about. Do they include troll stronghold, because I've already blown those xp lamps. I'm just hoping I can get 40, and do the quests before march break lol. :ohnoes:

 

Hmm now I don't know how many chins to buy, maybe only 50k... ugh gonna have to recalculate. <_<

Sure thing

 

Fairy Tale Part 1 has no farming requirement, and the xp reward takes you to at least 18 farming, which means you can go straight to planting oaks. Forgettable Tale of a Drunken Dwarf's xp reward can take you from 18 to 25 farming. Garden of Tranquillity will easily carry you from 25 to 30 farming from its xp reward. Then you can do My Arm's Big Adventure and Enlightened Journey to go to 30-something. The fact that all of these quests (except Forgettable Tale) are ones that you would have already wanted to do for various farming-related reasons (well, for Garden of Tranquillity, it's more for fishing, so you can do Swan Song and catch monkfish) means that you've effectively skipped those levels with no training at all.

There are more places that are closer to banks then ape atroll that would not be able to poison

like the mussies in the chaos tunnel there good for chinning and would take about the same time and not waist money on anti poison

if you can only use a bull ant that would mak some diffrence but not alot

i would say just go to mussise safes money and can get some cash back from the drop they give

There are more places that are closer to banks then ape atroll that would not be able to poison

like the mussies in the chaos tunnel there good for chinning and would take about the same time and not waist money on anti poison

if you can only use a bull ant that would mak some diffrence but not alot

i would say just go to mussise safes money and can get some cash back from the drop they give

No, mummies are almost half the xp of ape atoll. Don't even consider mummies.

its simple just save up a little bt more and use red chins i'm 91 almost 92 range from 88. ape toll for sure and u don't need many anti poison if done correctly. i watched one a guild on youtube and got it... i used 15 % bonus and range pots helped alot, hits 18s with void. and if u r worried about dieing wear ring of life. The cost for me was only 3m.

Hmm I've done some math, and using the 15% prayer will just about halve the time I get from each prayer pot. I will need 1500 prayer pots to use the 15% one.

 

1500 p pots= 19 mil

 

Now, for the 15% prayer to be the same amount of money as without it, it would need to make it so that I use at least 20k chins less then I would use not praying it. This means it would take about 30 ish k chins. This is just to be even with the cost of not using the 15% prayer, let alone cheaper. This seems like a crazy amount, I mean... 20k chins less just because of a 15% boost? :huh:

 

It looks like although it would be faster, it would cost a bit more. I think I'm going to stay with what I know and not use the 15% booster. Plus since it will drain my prayer faster, it will be easier to die, which I am afraid of. :oops:

 

Maybe the range boosting prayer is only effective at higher lvs?

 

Anyways I bought some of the stuff today, have 50k chins (starting with that and will buy more if needed) 300 pray pots, antis, and ranging pots. I have decided I'm probably going to use the evil turnip for my familiar, since it gives range xp.

But remember in the huge amount of time you save, you can easily make back any extra cost.

But remember in the huge amount of time you save, you can easily make back any extra cost.

 

Ugh. I don't know what to do...

 

I guess either way it will take the same amount of time, just depends if I want to be faster chinning then make some money back, or be slower chinning but having it payed for.

Well tell us the time numbers you calculate and we can figure it out.

I think the main problem is that I'm working on a rough estimate for the number of chins I need. I was think of throwing 100 then measuring the xp I get, but that wouldn't work because at higher lvs you get more xp.

 

Anyways heres what I did to figure the stuff out:

 

I have 50 prayer which takes 193 seconds to drain with just the melee prayer on.

 

193 / 50= 3.86 seconds per prayer point

19 x 3.86 = 73.3 seconds per dose

73.3 x 4= 293.2 seconds per pot

216000 seconds (60 hours) / 293.2 = 736.7 prayer pots

 

It will take about 740 prayer pots with no wrench.

 

The cost is:

 

Chins= 377 ea

Ppots= 12.7k ea

R pots= 7826

Superanti= 3284

 

= (12700 x 740) + (377 x 60000) + (7830 x 200) + (3284 x 100)

=9398000 + 22620000 + 1566000 + 328400

=33912400

 

The cost no 15% range pray is 34 mil with no wrench.

 

Now... With 15% prayer...

 

You get 95 seconds with 15% prayer and protect from melee on.

 

95 / 50= 1.9 seconds per point

19 x 1.9= 36.1 seconds per dose

36.1 x 4= 144.4 seconds per pot

216000 / 144.4= 1495.9 prayer potions

 

I'd need 1500 prayers potions no wrench both prayers

 

The cost of 1500 prayer pots is about 19 mil where as 740 only costs about 9 mil. This means for the 15% to be worth it I would need to save at least 10 mil worth of chins...

 

25k chins is about 10 mil. I would need to save 25k chins to make using the booster prayer viable, this seems like a bit too much... but once again, I can't know exactly because I'm working off a rough estimate :wall: .

 

I hope I remembered to write everything down :roll: . Saving 25k (almost half of my total chins) just because I'm using a 15% booster seems too good to be true... If i save less then 25k ish chins then the cost will actually be more, although it would be faster. I guess it depends on how much faster it would be too. :huh:

 

*head explodes*

15% speeds up the time therefore you can't say it will take the same amount of time.

So instead of 60 hours it would be closer to 50 hours.

50h=180000

180000/144.4= 1246.5374

 

1247-740=507

507*12.7=6 438.9

 

6.44m

Now if you can make more then 645k/hour its worth using the 15% prayer.

You need to look into xp per chin and cost per chin. Find numbers for those two, they're much easier to compare and work with.

15% speeds up the time therefore you can't say it will take the same amount of time.

So instead of 60 hours it would be closer to 50 hours.

50h=180000

180000/144.4= 1246.5374

 

1247-740=507

507*12.7=6 438.9

 

6.44m

Now if you can make more then 645k/hour its worth using the 15% prayer.

 

Hmm I for sure cant make 600k per hour... I barely get 300 at aviansies. If that's true I wont use the 15% prayer. But one thing... Won't I have to make less then 600k per hour because Im saving money on the chins?

 

I save 10 hours, meaning about 10k chins. 10k chins= about 3.8 mil

6440000-3800000= about 2.7 mil

 

I saved 10 hous so 2.7mil / 10= 270k

 

So I would only have to make 270k per hour... which I can do!

 

10 x 30k (because i make 300k per hour)= 300k

 

I would save about 300k using the 15%... Is that right?

 

 

You need to look into xp per chin and cost per chin. Find numbers for those two, they're much easier to compare and work with.

 

Any idea on how I could find that out ?