KCR vs True Ownage [Tip.it War Ranking]

[Sutty]

I see no evidence of more than 5 rangers ranging at one time.

 

Gratz on your win KCR :thumbsup:

 

The rules didn't state 5 Rangers at any one given time.

Oh, I hope you realise to break a 5 man ranger cap, you need to see more than 5 people ranging at one point :P it's just like a sniper cap. There's nothing wrong with 5 people ranging at one time :)

 

In your eyes. Anything to try and help us lose. :lol:

No, just putting out the flaws in your silly accusation :P

 

Silly accusations that got us a rematch? Okay? :-|

Be sure to explain what you think a CAP is this time and how it can be broken, considering you have a different view on how it works compared to most other clans.

[indianishere]

In my opinion KCR have been penalized without sufficient evidences. I don't see any pics showing more than 5 ranger's posted by T0 and KCR.

 

The zoom pics by vannakka are not conclusive evidence.

 

The rules just mention 5 ranger's, and when it's agreed to have 5 rangers, having them throughout the war or having them at the same time is not and should not be a issue.

 

KCR seem to have put there guard down and accepted for a rematch, so GL to both

[ichi]

In my opinion KCR have been penalized without sufficient evidences. I don't see any pics showing more than 5 ranger's posted by T0 and KCR.

 

The zoom pics by vannakka are not conclusive evidence.

 

The rules just mention 5 ranger's, and when it's agreed to have 5 rangers, having them throughout the war or having them at the same time is not and should not be a issue.

 

KCR seem to have put there guard down and accepted for a rematch, so GL to both

It's called PMing mods evidence. Have a nice day. :thumbup:

[Kimberly]

The zoom pics by vannakka are not conclusive evidence.

 

I did not go off of those, but rather the pictures provided by Jack of T0. As you said, those zoomed in pictures could have come off of any fight and are therefore inconclusive. I instead examined Jack's evidence more closely. Clothing (your basic clothing seen when not wearing armor) cannot be changed midfight, therefore it can be used to identify people.

 

Picture 1 - Starting here. The three people to the northwest are all in the middle of their attack animation with a maple short bow. One is clearly a girl with dhide vambs, one is a man with rune (t) helms, one was a man with dhide vambs and fighter boots. This brings the ranger count to three for KCR.

 

Picture 2 - There is another girl, but she cannot be distinguished from the one in picture 1, so that is disregarded. There are two men, one with metal-cap sleeves (far right) and one with pale skin in leather boots and full dhide who are distinctly different than the other two men seen in picture one (middle). Note that while these two are not in the middle of an attack animation, they are in typical ranging attire. That brings the ranger cap to 5, which is what the rules outline.

 

Picture 3 - This is where KCR is proven to break the ranging cap. Gougle is clearly seen wearing blue default clothing that is unlike any other person seen so far. There is also another man in the picture but he is most likely the man in the middle from picture 2 (see above.)

 

This brings the question: was it enough to change the outcome of the fight? This is where the most discussion took place over.

 

Two styles of combat in any increased number has been, in the past, grounds for rematching. Adding to that, I had mentioned earlier in the ruling post that there was no consideration or discussion as to whether or not this cap meant there would be a max of 5 rangers throughout the entire fight or no more than 5 rangers out at once. Because of this, we decided that a rematch was the most fair outcome we could provide to both clans to give them a fair and earnest war.

 

The rules just mention 5 ranger's, and when it's agreed to have 5 rangers, having them throughout the war or having them at the same time is not and should not be a issue.

 

When you agree to something, there is a degree of assumption if things aren't spelled out explicitly. Things were not spelled out explicitly, as I explained above, so both sides are riding off the assumption that their interpretation of the rule is correct. This is where issues arise, and why when KCR and T0 rematch they may either choose a range off fight or a range on fight without restrictions.

 

I assure you we always analyze the evidence ourselves and take no second-hand help in doing our jobs. Were we unable to verify the legitmacy of the evidence provided, the victory on the field would have stood. I hope this clears up any issues you (or anyone else!) might have. Next time, feel free to PM me or any other member of the staff if you want detailed explanations.

[envymark]

fair enough that makes sense. gl to kcr and t0 in the rm

[Frouke]

Gl with the rematch :rolleyes:

[KingYufei]

Lady Ninane laying down the rules!!! :thumbsup:

 

 

Good Luck TO and KCR on Rematch..... may I add No flameing allowed rule? :rolleyes:

[IGotMunnyz]

Good job KCR, looked like a close fight

[Adeelasim]

The zoom pics by vannakka are not conclusive evidence.

 

I did not go off of those, but rather the pictures provided by Jack of T0. As you said, those zoomed in pictures could have come off of any fight and are therefore inconclusive. I instead examined Jack's evidence more closely. Clothing (your basic clothing seen when not wearing armor) cannot be changed midfight, therefore it can be used to identify people.

 

Picture 2 - There is another girl, but she cannot be distinguished from the one in picture 1, so that is disregarded. There are two men, one with metal-cap sleeves (far right) and one with pale skin in leather boots and full dhide who are distinctly different than the other two men seen in picture one (middle). Note that while these two are not in the middle of an attack animation, they are in typical ranging attire. That brings the ranger cap to 5, which is what the rules outline.

 

 

I see only ONE KCR ranger in that pic, unless for some odd reason Warria06 (At center with the Saradomin Helmet) has a KCR member added on his Friends List or vice-versa. :???:. The ranger at east is GREEN in color, but you can already see there are 6 white dots (including pic-taker), 2 green dots, and a purple. Maybe you're assuming that he is KCR and T0 had that particular person added :/ , or maybe he is actually a T0 member :P. Not sure but just like to point that out :D.

[KingYufei]

Jesus... I mean if is this much argueing, man Jack buddy... if i were TO I'd just let KCR have this one lol. I know youall came a long way of trying to prove this and Iam sure most of us know what happened but in the end it's either unless argeing or just plain saddness TBH. And TO in my eye is too honorable and respected of a clan to argue about something such as the number of rangers they had know what I mean?

 

But it's up to you guys. :mellow: