"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon." - Napoleon

 

"If you want a thing done well, do it yourself." - Napoleon

"NO U!"

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger." - Friedrich Nietzsche

That's probably not the most.... self-conservative (is that the right word? meh) phrase ever, but I follow by it.

 

Oh, and "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.<br /><br /><font color="#0000FF">[citation needed]</font>

"Somebody once asked me if I had a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God." - Not too sure, but I likes it.

" A painter paints pictures on canvas. But musicians paint their pictures on silence."

~Leopold Stokowski

"The ends justify the means."

~Machiavelli

 

I live by it.

"The ends justify the means."

~Machiavelli

 

I live by it.

 

So you're saying murder can be justified?

"The ends justify the means."

~Machiavelli

 

I live by it.

 

So you're saying murder can be justified?

 

I don't know if he is, but I am.

 

Ofcourse, that depends on what "the ends" is all about. And to me, if "the ends" is meaningful enough, yes, even murder is justified.

And to what end would murder be justified?

Can't think of a specific one at the moment, but I'm sure there is.

There can't be one.

 

What could possibly justify taking the life of another human? They're a murderer? Congrats, you're no better.

 

They murdered/raped someone in your family? That's not justice, that's revenge.

There definitely is one. Or a whole lote more than one.

 

 

I could list some, but there's always the easy way out, it's easy to twist these things around and call it unjust.

 

 

To be frank, I doubt either of us can convince the other, so I'd rather leave it at that.

So really, you'd murder for some reason you believed was right?

 

Unless it is an absolute necessity (such as during a war), chances are, you need your head checked.

you need your head checked.

 

Because they share a different opinion to you? Morals are relative.

Tell me this then Dan.

 

Why would we attempt to prevent those who make death threats? And even in cases arrange for help to figure out what makes them want to kill?

 

Morals may be relative, but we live in a society with laws we should follow, which means I can't go out and kill some guy because in my mind I have a justified reason. Tell me how society would view me then.

Do you believe murder could be justified if it was to save an innocent life? That's good justification if you asked me.

In the end, a life is still lost.

 

Who says one human is worth more than another? In the eyes of the law and society, you'd be a murderer. Name a situation (aside from war) where you'd have to kill in order to save someone.

I'll give it a go. Let's say... Some middle aged guy was standing over a five year old kid with a knife in his hand, about to stab him in the neck. You have a gun, would you shoot the guy to save the kid? The kid is too young to know if he's done anything wrong, and hasn't had a chance to make his choices in life or anything. Innocent victim.

 

If that isn't murder justification I don't know what is. Yes, I dub it murder, for it was still you who caused the loss of life.

Do you need to aim to kill though?

Care to explain the statement a little more clearly?

You're saying you need to kill the man in order to save the child.

 

Do you really need to kill him in order to save the child? After all..It's not like you have to kill him with your shot.

Would your first instinct be to think 'Hmm... If I shoot him in the leg he might drop the knife in shock and let the kid get away!' Or would it be something like 'OH JESUS I MUST SAVE THE KID! BANGBANGBANG'

 

It's instinct, not a matter of thinking things over. Personally, I have no firearms experience. I'd just point at his body and pull the trigger a few times in panic, hoping I got him and saved the kid.

I think there's a fair chance you won't inflict a mortal wound though.

 

You can't tell whether you'd kill or not in that situation.

This is an extreme example, but you seem to be saying that the life of someone like Charlie Manson is worth the same as amy random person chosen out of a crowd.

 

Tbh, one life is not equal to another.

I would try and give another example, but I'm tired and too lazy to think of one. But I stand by what I said; murder CAN be justified, although the terms can be difficult to meet.