java trouble

[Leximunium]

I run windows vista home edition(service pack unknown, at school so i will check later) with every update installed. Installing java worked just fine, and i can play runescape normally in browser. however, shutting down and starting up my computer results in a blue screen of death, and will keep doing so until i go into safe mode and uninstall java. than it works like a charm. this happens every time ive attempted to install it. Going to the 'problem reports and solutions' program reveals that the 'sun java scheduler' is not compatible with this system and the only sotution is to contact java for a solution.(which has been impossible up to now)

 

Ive used the computer before, and recently had a graphics card change.(i can run runescape perfectly, at max settings, in the downloadable version of rs.) I also installed vista recently(same time as the graphics card change)

 

any suggestions/comments/help?

[obfuscator]

There's no "downloadable version of rs". There's a client, which includes Java.

 

Windows Vista sucks, but anyway...all you can really do is what microsoft suggested, and try contacting java support.

 

Although, also make sure you've installed all updates for Vista and the most recent drivers for your graphics card.

[Leximunium]

i meant the client, which does not need java to run. (it says on the download section)

 

thanks for the help, and yea, vista kinda does suck.

[obfuscator]

i meant the client, which does not need java to run. (it says on the download section)

 

thanks for the help, and yea, vista kinda does suck.

I believe the client doesn't require java to be installed, but it installs java when you download it.

 

I could be wrong though, it's been a while.

 

EDIT: I had no idea the current client was open source, very interesting stuff. But yeah, to put it in very simple terms it runs java inside the C++ executable that is the RS client.

[Leximunium]

which is strange, since my computer acts just fine with the client installed, but once i install java, it blue screens when i shut the computer down.

[Sbrideau]

Vista Does not suck, it's as good as Windows 7.

 

Have you taken note of the error message and code from the blue screens? I know you said scheduler, but it shouldn't be incompatible, at least not for the last versions of Java. Have you updated your graphics drivers?

[obfuscator]

Do I really need to start link-spamming hundreds of articles and technical reviews that all say windows 7 is vista without the bugs and garbage? I hope not.

[Big_Stingman]

Do I really need to start link-spamming hundreds of articles and technical reviews that all say windows 7 is vista without the bugs and garbage? I hope not.

 

You are correct, and I hope you don't need to spam link either. The guy above you is a complete idiot. Windows 7 really is what Vista should have been.

[obfuscator]

I don't think sbredeau is an idiot at all, in fact I think he's quite knowledgeable. I'm more just surprised to hear that he holds that opinion, and am curious to hear why.

[Sbrideau]

I ran Vista longer than I ran Windows 7. In fact, I'm still running Vista on 1 of my 3 computers. I've ran into much more bugs with Windows 7 than I did with Vista. Plus I didn't notice any performance difference appart from the sidebar. To me, that last computer isn't worth upgrading. The laptop I upgraded (well, clean install) because I wanted to try it, even then, I tried the beta on the laptop and it worked pretty well, but I previously had Vista 32 bit, which was slow compared to 64bit. Old desktop runs vista, and I didn't shut it down for the last 30 days, and yet, still no sign of slowing down, neither is there of lag or bugs. Windows 7 is capable of this too btw. Other desktop, I built it 5 months ago, so Windows 7 being the current OS and the one to buy, that's what I got, Windows 7 Ultimate for the desktop, while the laptop has Pro.

 

That's just part of the opinion of why I think Vista is pretty good. It was good since SP1 came out. Before that, Vista really was the buggy one.

[obfuscator]

I ran Vista longer than I ran Windows 7. In fact, I'm still running Vista on 1 of my 3 computers. I've ran into much more bugs with Windows 7 than I did with Vista. Plus I didn't notice any performance difference appart from the sidebar. To me, that last computer isn't worth upgrading. The laptop I upgraded (well, clean install) because I wanted to try it, even then, I tried the beta on the laptop and it worked pretty well, but I previously had Vista 32 bit, which was slow compared to 64bit. Old desktop runs vista, and I didn't shut it down for the last 30 days, and yet, still no sign of slowing down, neither is there of lag or bugs. Windows 7 is capable of this too btw. Other desktop, I built it 5 months ago, so Windows 7 being the current OS and the one to buy, that's what I got, Windows 7 Ultimate for the desktop, while the laptop has Pro.

 

That's just part of the opinion of why I think Vista is pretty good. It was good since SP1 came out. Before that, Vista really was the buggy one.

Yeah, vista SP1 is ok. I've still noticed significant speed difference between it and windows 7, but maybe that's just me.

 

I also prefer the way the interface looks.

[Sbrideau]

 

I also prefer the way the interface looks.

 

+1 and also the libraries.

[D. V. Devnull]

Getting back on-topic... eXeDestroy, have you tried installing one of the pre-6u10 versions of Sun Java, preferably 6u6 or 6u7? It can sometimes be said that if the latest stuff doesn't work, maybe the earlier stuff will. :huh:

 

BTW, I'm only suggesting this as a last-resort measure, and only because the latest Sun Java versions are proving themselves incompatible. Personally, I hope this works, but it might not. So, don't get your hopes too high, as you might have to uninstall it as well. :geek:

 

~D. V. "If new doesn't fit you, try older stuff." Devnull

 

 

 

(p.s.: If it were Win7 then my suggestion would have been useless, in which case I wouldn't have posted.)

[Sbrideau]

Lol, saying to use stuff as old as 6u7 is pretty much not a good idea -> there are too many differences/new stuff that Jagex might be using that's not in those old versions. Especially since now it's 6u21.

[D. V. Devnull]

Lol, saying to use stuff as old as 6u7 is pretty much not a good idea -> there are too many differences/new stuff that Jagex might be using that's not in those old versions. Especially since now it's 6u21.

As I said before, I'm only suggesting this because the new Java versions are incompatible for the reason that eXeDestroy listed with their Vista SP1 system. (Also, I'm using Java 6u6 here with no issues, albeit that I'm also running a FireFox 2.0.0.x-series browser on that same system with WinXP Pro SP2.) I already understand doing this isn't normally a good idea, but when the latest can't be used for one reason or another by someone, what choice is there? At least I'm giving an option that could work, and putting forth the small potential chance that they might be able to get Java working with their browser. IMHO, no one should have to just miss out due to a mere incompatibility. :unsure:

 

~D. V. "I already know about this... If this didn't stand a small chance of working, then I would never have suggested it." Devnull

[Leximunium]

older java versions run into a compatability problem while running runescape. computer still blue screens with older versions anyways.

[D. V. Devnull]

older java versions run into a compatability problem while running runescape. computer still blue screens with older versions anyways.

Alright. Sorry to hear that doesn't work for you. :(

 

Anywho, I asked someone else about the problem IRL. You might try disabling jusched(dot)exe from MSConfig during your next install attempt, as it is the executable for the Sun Java Scheduler. (Had to slap the censor in the face for it's stupidity, lol.) Also, don't forget to disable auto-updates in the Java Control Panel. Please let us know if that works. :geek:

 

~D. V. "Hadn't thought of this myself." Devnull

 

[Author Note: Had a whole different post up before this.]

Edited September 1, 2010 by D_V_Devnull

[Leximunium]

older java versions run into a compatability problem while running runescape. computer still blue screens with older versions anyways.

Alright. Sorry to hear that doesn't work for you. :(

 

Anywho, I asked someone else about the problem IRL. You might try disabling jusched(dot)exe from MSConfig during your next install attempt, as it is the executable for the Sun Java Scheduler. (Had to slap the censor in the face for it's stupidity, lol.) Also, don't forget to disable auto-updates in the Java Control Panel. Please let us know if that works. :geek:

 

~D. V. "Hadn't thought of this myself." Devnull

 

[Author Note: Had a whole different post up before this.]

 

Will do when i get the moment, thank you.