:: My Idea To Remove Rares ::

[krenbr]

ok.. here people i have to say.. being a owner of rares myself that i dont like the idea as it was currentally states.. however if it were to happen the onlyrares that would be in the shop were ones that were player sold to the shop

[someone_els]

I agree entirely with what Duke_Freedom said. Ultimately, it is the consumer that decides the price, not the merchant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think this idea would infuriate most rare owners moreso than "help" the economy by capping rares prices.

[tskolar]

Like I've said plenty of times, if the price increase of rares would be limited, chances are large that materials will take over the role of inflation correction and in turn be your perfect investement choice. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The materials which would most likely inflate the most are materials gotten from so called "working"(a.k.a doing a skill partially or not in the most efficient manner possible) The people benefiting from a stable rares price would therefore most likely be people who work. People who are "poor". Not people with tones of cash in the bank allready. Of course there would be a limited time window of investment before the prices of items would adjust to the stabilization and reach its new market value but with the risk of misreading the market involved i dont think a lot of players would decide to invest/gamble huge sums of cash into a specific market (at least in the beggining when the prices would sky rocket the most). Stabilazing the rares market means redistributing wealth and creating a "work force" whos value is ever increasing. I think you and a lot of old players would not care too much for that...the question is would that be fair......or not? And why not btw.

[tskolar]

 

 

 

 

That is, in fact, the real secret to changing the rare market: getting 100% of the Runescape population to suddenly care not for rares. But you and I both know it ain't gonna happen :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, If you want one, then you have to save for it! That's part of the charm, really. Imagine if there was a plan like suggested in this topic put into action - everyone would have them and it would be silly...

 

 

 

lpinkus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its not about "caring" ip. I dont care about rares but still have them. They are only enriched cash for the majority of owners.

[Duke_Freedom]

Good post tskolar, you're very right the inflation will mostly take place in the materials where people are really spending the time to get the material instead of spending their time to get experience and get the material "free" at the same time too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you and a lot of old players would not care too much for that...the question is would that be fair......or not? And why not btw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When observing prices, we have to remember that what really matters is how the prices relate to each other and *not* what the price of any given item is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point with the current situation is that rares are ever-increasing, while all materials keep the same price. This means that the "worth" of an hour work is ever-decreasing. For example, suppose I spend 50 hours mining 10K coal (worth 200gp each) a year ago and bought a phat for that, thus for a worth of 2mil. The same phat is worth 50K coal (still worth 200gp each), or in other words 10mil or 250 hours of coal mining, now. This means that my investement earned 8mil gp or 200 hours of coal mining.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, if the situation was that we didn't have rares, but we did have material price inflation we could see the following, hypothetical, situation occur. We would mine 10K coal (worth 200gp each and taking 50 hours still) a year ago, worth 2mil total, and keep it in our bank as investement. Say the coal had risen 200% in the past year and coal would be worth 600gp each now. That means that our coal would be worth 6mil now. We earned 4mil gp with our investement, however, we did not earn any hours of coal mining with the investement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yes, material price inflation is pretty fair as it makes sure that the hour of someone who plays now is worth just as much as an hour of someone who played 3 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only downside you might want to consider, is that the newer player will have a much easier time to buy good pseudo-rare items (think of rune-items for example), as these items already always decrease in price, but also because the newer players can also earn much more gp per hour because of the material price inflation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore, the reasoning that inflating material prices are fairer is (or should be :wink: ) one of the stronger points of people who are anti-rares - it is arguable how fair it is though, as it is also possible to say it is unfair towards the older players.

[tskolar]

Therefore, the reasoning that inflating material prices are fairer is (or should be :wink: ) one of the stronger points of people who are anti-rares - it is arguable how fair it is though, as it is also possible to say it is unfair towards the older players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont intend to argue fairness..... u are smart enough to know what would be more just (for an average player).I dont think that people who promote or defend rares in these type of threads should even be dragged to the lvl of fairness. The situation is clearly unfair. What i find funny myself is the fact that most people assume this game is so popular because it is fair (And/or that it would be even more popular if it would be even more fair.) And therefore naively posting "anti-rares" threads based on the argument of fairness and alike.